Ross is great, but I want to study from other NLP Pua's.

Do you know any?

Derek Rake: The Rake Method and his programs all are on using language to seduce.

Justin Wayne has a program after you buy his first program on conversation techniques using NLP,

Nick Rogue has a structure in his Same Night program about sexual inception.

JD Fuentes Sexual Key

Yeah, I'm pretty good at it.

Ross gives you more than enough to play with. If you master even a quarter of what he is teaching, you will see drastic results. Too much information can become very confusing in a hurry.

Al

In my option, stay away from Ross. He doesn't evolve.

Anyway, I can suggest the Personal Enhancement Series by Richard Bandler. Mind blowing!!

As much as I like NLP, the same way I don't like Ross. He just seems so sinister to me. It's like he's the head of a cult of some socially inept weirdos, really. I think that besides the forbidden patterns that even Ross suggests to stay away from, he is the main reason for all the hate around NLP.

Richard Bendler is really good. I agree with the above poster.

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Is Derek Rake a real name? I'm wondering obviously because my screen name is fake. Rakeal = rake angel. A rake is the term used for the bad boy type in the book 'art of seduction'.

And to answer op. Dave Riker is another. I can't vouch for his material for or against because I didn't finish it. He said in his program to take stop right in the middle, learn from another nlp or conversational hypnotist then come back, so that's what I will do. I think that's pretty cool of him to suggest learning in such a way. I'm curious what the rest of his course provides because I am fairly knowlegable on the subject now with my own theories.

Hmm..other than Ross Jeffries, I would go with Orion/Kamal "Magical Connections", Dave Riker, In10se, Tom Vizzini/Kim McFarland (Essential Skills), IN10se and Igor Ledochowski

I give it up

SS doesn't really work.
I'll better study from other PUA's

Technically it does work, but Ross forgets to mention, that you need to be familiar with covert hypnosys to properly execute SS techniques.

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