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Giving constructive criticism.
I've said the same things many different ways before and at this stage I see the value in provocation.
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Agreed. However, i don't believe it's that simple when it comes to using covert hypnosis in pick up, especially for a n00b trying to not come off as a creep.
I believe it should be that simple, especially for a n00b. I think you're way in over your depth if you're trying to go out and apply all these tactics for conversational hypnosis, when you haven't the confidence/competence to have just a normal conversation. It's exactly why you hear people saying all these weird patterns, and a complete distortion of what elegant hypnosis is. That is what leads to them coming off as a creep.
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Tactics and techniques are to be observed before going in-field if you plan to get good at this and it includes getting caught a few times
More so than be observed, they should be practiced before going in-field. I've found it incredibly useful to get both a cognitive understanding and practical experience before attempting to do anything to anybody in day-to-day life (not necessarily in a seduction context).
When I really started to get good at this was when I bought Igor's live training hypnosis DVD's and practiced all the exercises diligently, patiently, and persistently with friends. I've done the same for almost all Igor DVD's since and learned a ton from him. I never got "caught", because I never tried to pull the wool over people's eyes. I want them to know that I'm right there with them. I started very overt, and told people I was going to do "a creative mind game" or something.
As you develop the skills, and get a sense of the principles, you naturally start to apply it all round. I think that elegant covert hypnosis should be simple. "As simple as it can be but no simpler". If we really look at NLP as what it is (IMHO), it's about modelling. And if you look at the greatest, most influential communicators, they don't say any extended patterns, or weird phrases. What I aim to do is, plainly and simply, communicate in such a way that compels people to follow along. I don't get caught up in any particular dogma of hypnosis/persuasion/seduction, etc...
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Getting laid is a great motivator to learn and once you de-cypher the basic NLP concept and it starts to get you laid, you can use and abuse that same hypnotic concept to tremendously improve the quality of your life in general (and outside of the PUA community). This is the main reason why guys eager to learn conversational hypnosis should exclusively commit to it until they got it.
If your motivation is to get laid then forget about NLP and focus on getting laid (80% practice, 20% information, is an arbitrarily good place to start). If, on the other hand, you want to learn NLP, then focus on practicing NLP. I strongly advise against learning NLP to get laid more, and vice versa, unless you're already skilled at conversation and getting laid. Getting laid can be so easy, and it's been my experience that learning to do it using NLP will convolute the process unless you have enough reference experiences to know how it fits together seamlessly, elegantly.
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Than i am sure you can testify to the fact that your skills have both improved your game and improved your chances of getting exactly what you want in everyday life as well?
If I'm honest, when I learned seduction (after 2 years of listening to products), I disregarded all conscious knowledge of hypnosis. I went into it as a blank canvas. I learned in field. I just tried different extremes, observed, and pushed my comfort zone. I really loved the guys at Daygame.com, and used to listen to a podcast before going out. In my opinion, their free stuff is rivals any other company's paid stuff.
Now, when I think of NLP combined with seduction, I don't think of any hypnotic elements. I've created my own model of precision communication that is not dependent on presuppositions, or the Milton-Model, or any of that jazz. It's based on effective communication, whatever that may be at any particular time. Speed Seduction is not NLP applied to seduction, it's the various hypnotic techniques discovered through NLP, applied to seduction. It's a limited view of what NLP is. Excellence is not just hypnotic.
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NLP is not just a pick up tactic, it is about getting the results you want every single time in every situation. Understanding the psychological process of it is gold if you plan to manipulate and lead people through your "map of the world".
I guess I can agree with that (although I prefer other definitions of NLP) but I think that unless you're particularly interested in hypnosis, NLP has a lot more to offer, when you think of it as modelling. Hypnosis and influence are only such a tiny part of what it is. James Tsakalos is somebody I'd recommend checking out.