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Hello everyone. I am what everyone would call a natural and there is no one that I personally know who is as good at it as me. I am 5'7, 150 lbs, average looking. So what I am doing here? Well one of my friends reads pick up books and made me aware of this community. I have been reading stuff for a month or so and decided to post my methods and philosophy about women.

I will compare and contrast some ideas and criticize others. This is not to bash or glorify any line of thought but more to reflect on what I know personally and from other natural friends. I will discuss some myths and some rules i follow too. You might see some stuff that's not discussed in mainstream dating or Pua. Ok here we go...


Myth no.1 : Hot women are difficult and average ones are easy. Not true at all. Some of the 10s I banged were the easiest. I have been rejected by butt ugly and average chicks but accepted by superhot ones. How easy a woman is has nothing to do with her anatomy but more to do with her personal beliefs, environment and upbringing.

Myth no.2: Nice guys don't get laid a lot. Biggest bull ever. I don't know who or what started this myth. Perhaps its go to do with that fact that people always focus on what jerks/assholes/loud mouths are doing and ignore everything else. Reality is when that hot chick started dating the jerk he acted like a nice dude. After 2 months he started showing his true colors.

There is no way to tell simply by looking at a guy whether he gets laid or not. Some of the best I know are very average and u would never guess. Nice guy naturals just fly under the radar and dont raise any red flags. Thats what makes them dangerous. If u saw me talking to your girlfriend, you wouldn't think much of it. Also i know many guys who consider themselves 'nice' but don't know they come off as creepy. I doesn't matter what u think in ur mind, its important how the woman perceives you.


Myth 3: You have to be honest all the time. In my opinion, if u wanna get laid with tonnes of women u have to lie/embellish truth upto an extent. Obviously this doesnt work if u are looking for a relationship, but just to get laid? Who cares what u say. No average guy has the lifestyle/resources to interest lot of women so u have to make some stuff up. Its just that your stories need to be grounded that's all. Like if u play an instrument, you can say u used to be in a local band. Everything in life is a racket so don't feel like oh thats not me.

Ok now onto to my rules of pickup:

1. Shut your mouth. Now this might seem weird especially when so many men are learning how to talk to girls. Yes u must be able to say a few things here and there but in my experience nothing makes the women run away more than you running your mouth. Ask a question or two, give some info on yourself but thats just 10%. 90% let the woman talk.

2. Dont cold approach: Its too much of a numbers game. You will get shot down a lot and too big of a hit on the ego/energy. Neither me or any natural friends cold approach. Let the DTF girls come to you. And come they will in droves if u know what to do.

My suggestions are do some activity and make it look like fun. Going to a regular bar or club and just standing around like an idiot with drinks is the worst u can do. I am good at pool. Me and my buddies go to places where they have pool tables and fuseball and we just play and have fun. DTF chicks will come ask if they can play with us shortly. Another natural buddy is a dancer. Another one sings kareoke and chicks go to him. And no he is not a good singer if u r wondering. Another natural hosts parties with sexual themes. You get the idea.

3. Less is more: Too much texting/calls most always will lead to a flake. Doesnt matter if u r not desperate or being funny. Keep it very minimum. Also keep in mind that after you set up a meeting don't contact her the day of the meeting. This might cause her to reply 'OH, sorry something came up'. Women are very flaky even in non-dating situations so never chase her. If a girl has to respond to you by saying 'Sorry, blah blah..' means you have chased too much.

I feel most people who think they are not chasing don't realize they r still chasing. We only say sorry when we can't deliver something promised. So what do I do? I text them the day before and set up the meeting time and place but don't text the next day. The girl will eventually text 2 hours before meeting time 'We are still on for tonight correct'? And then I reply " Sorry! Of course, I am getting ready to head out soon". Whos chasing who here??

If the girl never texts you, it means she woulda flaked anyways. also if u must text the same day, use the word CONFIRM. Like 'Hi, confirming for 8 PM tonight'. U will see flaky ones wont confirm. This will save u a lot of frustration and anxiety.

4. Keep her in suspense: I think this is a big mistake most people make. When you set up a meeting most guys go " u know xxx, awesome place. They have mechanical bull and hookah. U should come". Guys think if they describe something awesome the girl will be more likely to come out. Whereas she goes "that sounds awesome! But in her mind she thinks meh I hate hookah and ends up flaking. No matter what u think u can offer a hot girl probably has a better offer from someone. So what to do? appeal to her desires and psychology. when a girl asks me where we will be going I just reply " Let it be a surprise!" .

Side note: PUA covers this well. Never go on dinner date and some crap like that. If you are comfortable u can even invite her straight to your place. But remember most women will give high resistance to that and if r not smooth, it will backfire.

Once a woman meets up with u, escalate physically quickly. Don't be afraid or hide your desires. If she gives resistance or says somethings making her uncomfortable, just slow it down a little bit. As long as she is enjoying the whole thing, u have nothing to worry about. But its highly important that you make her horny. Once she is turned on, she will be ready to bounce back to your or her place. You only need to say "I have this wine/weed/beer back at my home". Always keep some pot in your place reserved if u r into that. I have never gotten a NO from a stoner chick when I ask if she wants to smoke at my place.

Also when inviting a girl back just say something like "One of my roomates might be in another room but she will be asleep so no problem". This is to make her feel safe knowing there might be another girl within earshot. Of course u may not have any roommates at all but like i described earlier this is just a lay and not your wife and she would forgot everything u said the next day anyways.

This brings me to my final point. You cannot rack up a lot of lays with logic and reason. You have to bullshit to cut corners and escalate the process may times. If a girl asks seems like she is questioning your intentions or details just ignore it or change the subject. Usually they forget what or why they asked something. Most often a girl doesnt even know why she rejected you or was hesitant. If an average guy sees me pull girls and how fast I do things he will simply say 'I dont know why she is letting him do this, he is a pervert'. Recently I met a girl at an event and had a boyfriend but still was down to hook up. This was daytime like 2 PM and we were far from our home. But she was horny so we had to find a cozy place, ended up going to a nearby movie theater and started fooling around in the balcony upstairs. Often women buy me dinners and stuff after we have had sex as to show her appreciation. This is the kind of success you will start to see once you get good at it. As one joke goes "Studies show 60% of women like One night stands". My question is " Where are they?"


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:48 pm 
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Keith Rogers wrote:

2. Dont cold approach:


Have you ever cold approached?


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Have you ever cold approached?

Yes I used to back in my early 20s


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1. Shut your mouth. Now this might seem weird especially when so many men are learning how to talk to girls. Yes u must be able to say a few things here and there but in my experience nothing makes the women run away more than you running your mouth. Ask a question or two, give some info on yourself but thats just 10%. 90% let the woman talk.


I agree 100% in all you said but not on that one...I have a friend which is a natural like you and is true he barely talk and girls go to him but the reason he don't need to talk is because he is a natural like you...you guys don't need to talk, females feel attracted to you for some reason and I says some reason because so far still is a mystery to me, I have been reading books and practicing myself for sometime now, and if I don't talk with the females a lot and make some funny or interesting talk to keep their attention I would be just standing there and I would not get no girls at all, I tried what you said and that did not work for me because Im not a natural and despite what a lot of pua say about you can become a natural nope, you are borned a natural you can't be become one.
you can become very good picking girls but a natural nope.. Im not criticizing you on the opposite, thank you for all the info you willingly shared with us, Im putting in practice a lot of what you wrote.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:57 am 
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nyceboi wrote:
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1. Shut your mouth. Now this might seem weird especially when so many men are learning how to talk to girls. Yes u must be able to say a few things here and there but in my experience nothing makes the women run away more than you running your mouth. Ask a question or two, give some info on yourself but thats just 10%. 90% let the woman talk.


I agree 100% in all you said but not on that one..
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.I have a friend which is a natural like you and is true he barely talk and girls go to him but the reason he don't need to talk is because he is a natural like you...you guys don't need to talk, females feel attracted to you for some reason and I says some reason because so far still is a mystery to me
, I have been reading books and practicing myself for sometime now, and if I don't talk with the females a lot and make some funny or interesting talk to keep their attention I would be just standing there and I would not get no girls at all, I tried what you said and that did not work for me because Im not a natural and despite what a lot of pua say about you can become a natural nope, you are borned a natural you can't be become one.
you can become very good picking girls but a natural nope.. Im not criticizing you on the opposite, thank you for all the info you willingly shared with us, Im putting in practice a lot of what you wrote.



Ok I can shed some light on this mysterious 'something' about naturals. The thing is women can easily tell if you are experienced with women or not. Many DTF women are looking for a good time with no consequences. They worry about stuff like 'This guy looks like he hasn't been with many women, if I sleep with him will he fall in love and start stalking me??' A man who has laid 50 chicks acts and behaves differently than someone who has just 2. And they can tell. That's why it seems they flock to naturals for no reason. So you have to rack up experience to start getting that vibe where women know what to expect from you. And you need some creative ways to get that experience fast.

Back in my college days before Uber existed, me and my friend would take our car to clubs around closing time. Once the tipsy chicks come out and if we see someone looking at our car, we asked if they want a ride back to their dorm. Most would say yes. On the way back we offer drinks at my place. Sometimes we end up smashing sometimes we don't. But we were having lot more success that other friends who were inside the loud environment.

My point is try to think of the easiest ways you could possibly get laid without doing much. Going to loud venues with 20-25 old hot women probably won't work. That's a very rough crowd to target and most are attention seekers anyways. Most 25+ women don't frequent bars/clubs and usually get ignored. Go for professional women, single moms, out of town chicks, hipsters etc. Look up free professional events/conventions happening in your town. Just go and walk around some of these events. Some girl will eventually ask you a question or try to give you some info. And usually they are out of town ;-). Once you have some experience under your belt, then it will seem like women are coming to you for no reason.


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It's a great thing if you're born a natural, but you can also develop into one. I'm not into the routine-style stuff, but more into developing my character like body language, using deep voice, etc. Takes time, but also feels much more fulfilling.

Not long ago I came over a book named Alpha Male in 69 Steps at Amazon. It's short and doesn't go deep into the material, but every page has high value information. Really love the simplicity. Recommend it!

Gonna go work on my body language!


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Interesting, but NOT 'cold approaching' just guarantees not even interacting with a girl for lots of guys (unless you're very good looking)
I think it's what leads lots of people into the whole 'pickup/cold approach' thing in the first place! (they decide they need to start approaching girls since the girls sure as hell aren't approaching them! :))
Sure, it's a gruel and it hurts to get rejected non-stop, but at least it gives you a shot. If I don't approach girls, none will open me, no matter how much fun i'm having playing pool or whatever.

Maybe it's because i'm in the UK. People aren't so social with strangers over here.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:35 pm 
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Keith Rogers wrote:
The thing is women can easily tell if you are experienced with women or not. A man who has laid 50 chicks acts and behaves differently than someone who has just 2. And they can tell. That's why it seems they flock to naturals for no reason..


Also, i'm not sure about this.

I have too many examples from my life which kind of contradict this (including myself!)

I had one or two friends who get laid lots, and when new girls join our social circle (say, a friends new girlfriend comes out with us) they are always shocked when i'm like ''Ian get laid loads''.

Likewise, I have a friend who is very handsome but very shy who doesn't get laid much, but girls always assume he gets laid non-stop. (I guess just based on the fact he's good looking)

And finally, me! I never get laid. I'm like 30 and have slept with 3 girls. 2 of which were when I was a kid! But some girls I know think that I'm always getting laid, probably because they know that I go out lots (drinking/nightgame). One girl (a friend of my friends girlfriend) basically told her friend that she liked me but that she didn't want to get with me because she's been messed around by guys in her life, and she think's that I'm a player and that I sleep around a lot! I enjoyed the false image of my being a 'player' so much that I didn't even correct her! I've heard similar things about myself from other girls, too. Maybe you can fake the 'vibe' quite easily. I guess it's maybe because, despite never ever getting laid, i'm a relatively happy person, and so girls assume it's because I must be getting laid!!? I dunno!

I don't think girls have special powers in regards to vibe/reading our minds etc


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jesterofmalice wrote:
Keith Rogers wrote:
The thing is women can easily tell if you are experienced with women or not. A man who has laid 50 chicks acts and behaves differently than someone who has just 2. And they can tell. That's why it seems they flock to naturals for no reason..


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Also, i'm not sure about this.

I have too many examples from my life which kind of contradict this (including myself!)

I had one or two friends who get laid lots, and when new girls join our social circle (say, a friends new girlfriend comes out with us) they are always shocked when i'm like ''Ian get laid loads''.

Likewise, I have a friend who is very handsome but very shy who doesn't get laid much, but girls always assume he gets laid non-stop. (I guess just based on the fact he's good looking)

And finally, me! I never get laid. I'm like 30 and have slept with 3 girls. 2 of which were when I was a kid! But some girls I know think that I'm always getting laid, probably because they know that I go out lots (drinking/nightgame). One girl (a friend of my friends girlfriend) basically told her friend that she liked me but that she didn't want to get with me because she's been messed around by guys in her life, and she think's that I'm a player and that I sleep around a lot! I enjoyed the false image of my being a 'player' so much that I didn't even correct her! I've heard similar things about myself from other girls, too. Maybe you can fake the 'vibe' quite easily. I guess it's maybe because, despite never ever getting laid, i'm a relatively happy person, and so girls assume it's because I must be getting laid!!? I dunno!

I don't think girls have special powers in regards to vibe/reading our minds etc


you need more confidence, Im not a natural and I get laid a few times a year anyway, it takes more time and you have to focus on getting laid, chicks think that way of you because that is the image you want to project, if you have only slept with 3 girls and you are in your 30's is normal to feel the way you feel, but look Im 40 and Im confident in myself and get laid here and there, and Im working in getting better my game, go out and approach the females, it does not matter if you think you look stupid, approach them and soon it would feel natural to approach and you will get less rejections, and try to project what you really are that would help to get laid too, not all chicks like same men Im sure there are a lot of chicks that would like your type.


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Keith Rogers wrote:
nyceboi wrote:
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1. Shut your mouth. Now this might seem weird especially when so many men are learning how to talk to girls. Yes u must be able to say a few things here and there but in my experience nothing makes the women run away more than you running your mouth. Ask a question or two, give some info on yourself but thats just 10%. 90% let the woman talk.


I agree 100% in all you said but not on that one..
Quote:
.I have a friend which is a natural like you and is true he barely talk and girls go to him but the reason he don't need to talk is because he is a natural like you...you guys don't need to talk, females feel attracted to you for some reason and I says some reason because so far still is a mystery to me
, I have been reading books and practicing myself for sometime now, and if I don't talk with the females a lot and make some funny or interesting talk to keep their attention I would be just standing there and I would not get no girls at all, I tried what you said and that did not work for me because Im not a natural and despite what a lot of pua say about you can become a natural nope, you are borned a natural you can't be become one.
you can become very good picking girls but a natural nope.. Im not criticizing you on the opposite, thank you for all the info you willingly shared with us, Im putting in practice a lot of what you wrote.



Ok I can shed some light on this mysterious 'something' about naturals. The thing is women can easily tell if you are experienced with women or not. Many DTF women are looking for a good time with no consequences. They worry about stuff like 'This guy looks like he hasn't been with many women, if I sleep with him will he fall in love and start stalking me??' A man who has laid 50 chicks acts and behaves differently than someone who has just 2. And they can tell. That's why it seems they flock to naturals for no reason. So you have to rack up experience to start getting that vibe where women know what to expect from you. And you need some creative ways to get that experience fast.

Back in my college days before Uber existed, me and my friend would take our car to clubs around closing time. Once the tipsy chicks come out and if we see someone looking at our car, we asked if they want a ride back to their dorm. Most would say yes. On the way back we offer drinks at my place. Sometimes we end up smashing sometimes we don't. But we were having lot more success that other friends who were inside the loud environment.

My point is try to think of the easiest ways you could possibly get laid without doing much. Going to loud venues with 20-25 old hot women probably won't work. That's a very rough crowd to target and most are attention seekers anyways. Most 25+ women don't frequent bars/clubs and usually get ignored. Go for professional women, single moms, out of town chicks, hipsters etc. Look up free professional events/conventions happening in your town. Just go and walk around some of these events. Some girl will eventually ask you a question or try to give you some info. And usually they are out of town ;-). Once you have some experience under your belt, then it will seem like women are coming to you for no reason.


ok that is a good explanation and you have a point usually places I go are crowded and yes a lot of hot chicks there...still get some grade of success but usually end up only having a good time having a conversation and not getting laid, I have seen my success improving it seems the most I approach females they slowly start to follow me...... we have a section on the forum called the field report I try to report my duck tales every week and I try to be disciplined about my game, thanks for all the info.


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nyceboi wrote:
Im not a natural and I get laid a few times a year anyway....Go out and approach the females, it does not matter if you think you look stupid, approach them and soon it would feel natural to approach and you will get less rejections, and try to project what you really are that would help to get laid too, not all chicks like same men Im sure there are a lot of chicks that would like your type.


Thanks. I do approach girls already, though. I got my only lay in the last 6 years from a cold approach in a bar.

However, the OP says NOT too approach, so do you disagree?

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jesterofmalice wrote:
nyceboi wrote:
Im not a natural and I get laid a few times a year anyway....Go out and approach the females, it does not matter if you think you look stupid, approach them and soon it would feel natural to approach and you will get less rejections, and try to project what you really are that would help to get laid too, not all chicks like same men Im sure there are a lot of chicks that would like your type.


Thanks. I do approach girls already, though. I got my only lay in the last 6 years from a cold approach in a bar.

However, the OP says NOT too approach, so do you disagree?

cheers


You should re-read the OP.

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How do you make them horny (specifically what kino etc, how long)?
And when do you know when they are (as that cinema balcony chick)?


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