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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:48 am 
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Been browsing this site the last few days, first time I've felt the need to comment.

Just gunna say there are plenty of single girls out there, and they don't carry the risk of pissing off a psycho or actual criminal. I know the chance is slim, but I had an acquaintance get his door kicked in, tied up with a belt, and set on fire by two men because he decided he had to fuck one of their girlfriends. He lived, but he's not exactly doing great. Anyone who decides to try this should really appreciate the possibility that they may attract the ire of a crazy person.


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:29 pm 
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That's just brilliant. Thanks!


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uhmmmmm! sorry but i respectfully disagree with this... With girl with boyfriend, my technique is to be the friends where she comes for relationship advise, and she knows i have other women i am wanted, like the movie "the ugly truth"... I will try for her to ask me relationship advise, when she is having problems and i will point out, the bf lack of skills and what he is doing wrong, and how i would handle it, that will bring higher value.... i will also will point out what she is doing wrong, and always respectfully flirt of course...it works... So i am fucking with her indirectly and she start with time "falling out of love", then when she is done i am in..I got about 5 women TO GET DIVORCES... no proud of that though..




that is also a form of the straw man technique because you are doing the same thing
you are backing her boyfriend up and not insulting her taste as long as your doing that its fine
ppl appreciate ppl that are OBJECTIVE there arnt many ppl who like that now a days because of our instincts even women arnt objective due the constant competition and all that ...

better yet you are HELPING HER better her relationship but i wouldnt go out of my way to do it
i would just give advise and back him up in the moment
and give her my number if she wants to talk

i remember i did to this one chic(completely unaware of what i was doing) i was suppose to hook up with but didnt because she liked this other guy
she slept with this guy
then 2 days went by and she started getting all emotional because the guy wouldnt call her (after 2 days i know) and it was day 2 and she invited us me and friend to her house we started drinking then she got emotional because the guy wouldnt call her back
then i asked her how long has it been since this guy didnt call she said 2 days after their last meeting
then i said to her to that thats nothing and that guys like to wait 3 days before making a call so just wait! trust me i said to her

then she decided to text him all these insults the responded by saying that hes not texting back now and that he liked her

then i said See i told you!
then she got even more emotional she started laying on me and she was letting me give her massages IOIs everywhere

a week later i started helping her pick up guys i would tell her to approach this guy or that guy
she would do it on command get their numbers but they all turnout to be douchbags that send pictures of their dicks through text and stuff...
then a week later she demanded that i break up with her friend (becuase i already told her i didnt like her ...her friend has bipolar disorder)
at the same she was telling me she had a dream that me and her were datingdating and in the dream we were having sex and that she started to really like me in the dream
another big IOI
but at the time i was seeing another girl besides her friend and was really attached to her so in the end i blew it with Emotional girl...so the whole time i was seeing attached girl i asked out bipolar girl but then didnt like her anymore so i broke up with under the pressure and IOIs of emotional girl but then decided i wanted to be with attached girl because emotional girl was too emotional lol...
but if i was colder and not attached to the attached girl i was seeing then i wouldve easily hooked up with the emotional girl i unintentionally used the SMT on because she was hot



Well, you fail to see that you did not do it right... You do not fuck around with friends.

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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:54 am 
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thank you for your wisdom.its great to read stuff like this.


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:20 pm 
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So glad I read this. I can't tell you how many times females have given me their numbers, IOIs, etc. but I could not get over the BF/etc. hurdle. Even though I wanted the smash, I was clueless on what to do once the BF came up in the conversation. Normally, I would just stay neutral and act like it didn't bother me, then avoid the topic, so I would just leave it at that and hoped she would eventually break up with him. Never worked out that way... ever. I'm going to have to use this ASAP!!

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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:04 pm 
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What would be a better SMT segue way?

"It must be great having someone who always thinks of you"

OR

"It must be great having someone who does all of these sweet things for you"

Which one would you guys use?

After that, I plan to follow it up with, "I bet he randomly brings you your favorite type of flower, and gives you back rubs after a rough day at work..."

What do you dudes think of that? I've never done SMT, so some criticism would be most appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:01 pm 
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Negative!! I agree NOT! I would push for a tiny bit but I would stop immediently the moment I sense that she is in a commited relationship.

OK so you tell her how lucky her husband/boyfriend is for having her and so on so that unintentionaly scan through his cons. But remember, there WILL always be someone who is smarter than you even if he would be a 16 years old kid and one day he would do the same to YOU. If you do sports (or even if you play First Person Shooter Video Games), you WILL learn that lesson the very HARD WAY. One day one man or even a kid will take down like nothing..Also "historically" happened to the bravest and the best of warriors in their war carreer.

Do not be a jerk, do not be an asshole. This act is a low value and very Beta on its own coz you would hang all of your hopes on that girl that is married or with commited relationship. There are countless of smart super hot chicks of all ages all sort of demographics who are single and waiting for their prince to come and approach.

Do not be the weak boring Mr. Nice Guy too, just strike a proper balance between a jerk and a nice guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:28 pm 
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This is definitely good stuff... I was at the mall the other day and I met this beautiful ass chick. Light skin, light brown eyes, and prefect shape. She was walking through
Macy's with this younger looking chick. I opened the set up (two set) and got to talk to the girl for about 8mins. We went on in conversation to find out that the young lady she was with was her boyfriends little sister. So I was like damn and spoke to the Little sister and said some bullshit like "oh he must be a lucky guy," And walked off like a little bitch. I should have isolated her and ran some of this SMT magic. Well you live and you learn!!


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
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So what did the little sister say before you walked off? And what did the older girl say?

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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 3:52 pm 
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Hey! i'm a complete newby so sorry if the question isn't very good!
So I'm not sure if this has been covered in the thread or not, but basically
Say you've opened a set, and there is an alpha present, and he's a tool, can you use this technique to bring this guy out of the game? I'm just curious because i was at a party the other night and i was talking to this girl and these three guys show up and they alright. anyways, the tool of their group starts talking to the girl i was talking to (i went to talk to some friends) anyway, i come back, and she was talking to this guy, he had the "i'm a dick, love me and fuck me" kind of game, and it was working.
would i have been able to use a technique like this to have got rid of him, or should i have just cut my losses?
also bareing in mind, this was before i discovered the PUA community and i had zero knowledge, and already in the last few days i have learned a HELL of a lot!

thanks!

ps. i didn't get the girl and went home with my housemate haha


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:04 pm 
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DeathShredder23 wrote:
So what did the little sister say before you walked off? And what did the older girl say?


We actually had a conversation in between me opening and the point where I walked off. I opened the conversation with a compliment on the older chicks eyes then took it from there. Also I gave her a compliment on her teeth. You know what I'm starting to realize a lot of my fuck ups now that I put this in writing. I told her that it looked like she belonged in a Chrest commercial and I acted as if I had a tube of paste and a brush with a big smile on my face, I had them cracking up actually. Then I noticed how she looked exotic (the target) and asked her where she was from, if she was a student... Etc She gave me good replies actually she stopped on the dime and walked in close to me when I opened them. She wasn't a bitch or had a bitch shield up or anything of that nature. She probably would have gave me some action if I had of stuck in there and created a connection. My sticking points are creating a genuine connection with my conversations. Also I don't go deep enough, I shut down once the boy friend comes up or some other type of rejection or auto response. What I should have done is got in good with the little sis isolated the target who happened to be extremely friendly and took her to get a cologne suggestion or something. Because we were standing right by the men's cologne. Then while we was alone went in for the official close.


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:03 am 
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Isn't it just increasing the boyfriend's social status by validating him to the girl!?


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
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You are a prick, in my opinion, for screwing over another guy.

Good luck with your technique - I hope you wreck the relationship, you fall for her, then someone executes the exact same manouvere on you.

Chump.


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:37 pm 
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good shit man i go with, "ooooh he must be a movie star or a rapper or something like that huh. oh well at least he treats you good. i bet he is like the sweetest guy ever! buys you flowers and cards a stuff for no reason. im nothing like that im a complete jerk. i would ignore your phone calls, not text you back and flirt with your friends when you weren't around and everything. oh thank you so much for the phone number!"


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 Post subject: Re: Straw Man Technique
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:48 am 
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Hi everyone. This is my first post on MPUA.

I don't quite see the point of the strawman technique. I have to say I was in a rather representative situation leading up to my current relationship: It revolved around my very first conscious and confident PUA attempts. And the most wonderful date I ever had up to this point. Thanks to being more confident and aware... and actually knowing what needs to be done to make myself and her feel comfortable and have an amazing date and simply have fun.. and an enjoyable day. Despite minimal practice or prior knowledge of PUA.

After being dumped from a 5 year relationship for another guy due to my own misbehavior and general relationship issues i met that girl who was in a 5 year relationship herself. Despite the relationship centered background of this story I believe PUA is not only about picking up girls. It is also about how to take care of your relationships... understanding women or men. Be it in- or outside of a relationship. Understanding of valuing people in your life. And keeping a positive, healthy attitude for yourself and people around you.

The strawman technique to me seems rather obsolete: Since from a moral POV it is nothing more than indirectly "bashing" her current boyfriend. So in my opinion it doesn't make it any better than directly devaluing her current BF. It is negative, needless.... and just plain and simply harming. Being negative. Nothing more... nothing less. Women with a minimum of intellect will see right through that seemingly "ingenious" agenda anyways. I wouldn't know who is supposed to fall for this "cheap" hobby-psychologists' "manipulation".

What I did in that situation was simply relating to her current boyfriend. She was still in her relationship while we had our first date... and it was wonderful. With a lot of intense and sensual kino... and emotional rapport. But she was also very fair and loyal to her BF. So it was not possible to take it one step further. Which I appreciate, despite being slightly frustrated in that moment. Nevertheless f-close was not my only goal at all... so whatever. I simply understood what she.. and especially him were going through. Since she was unsatisfied in her relationship. And she kind of realized that after meeting me. There is absolutely no need to artificially try to influence a relationship which is already having serious problems. More so relationships which are not having serious problems. Morally I find that highly despicable.
There is a thing called empathy... amongst healthy/social people. You know?

What I did is simply respecting him, her and their relationship. And ask her what was going on. If the relationship doesn't work well enough. She will start asking her the right questions herself anyway. Especially when some impulse for reflection shows up. Like: Someone else who makes her think about if she is actually happy in her current relationship. I honestly felt empathy for both of them. Even to the point of them breaking up. Even before she actually ended the relationship. And that's what I also explained to her and showed her. Relating to my own experience and past relationships. Therefore it is actually possible to be respectful and empathic towards people in a relationship. Despite giving some impulse for reflection. And I think that is 100x times more healthy, positive and constructive... for yourself, should you happen to actually end up being her next BF. As well as people involved in the actual break-up.

There is enough shady stuff, schemes and negativity going on in the world and in our ill and mislead society. No need for that between you and people around you at all. Being somewhat honest, positive and empathic for a change actually helps. This is my main problem with PUA: When the scheming etc. actually takes away from the experience and positive attitude. Don't lose track. Stay positive. And things will line up naturally. Way more powerful than any mislead and immoral form of PUA "techniques". Don't get me wrong. I love using PUA for the benefit of myself and people I meet. The strawman technique makes no sense whatsoever to me though. And I really hope people use PUA in a positive and natural way. Without scheming and negativity.

Best Wishes and Good luck


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