You should always set boundaries for women. If you don't then your attraction value as a man will plummet and the more attractive the woman the faster a deeper it will plummet.

Not a good situation.

Boundaries of what you will and will not put up with are the manly countermeasure to the the female "shit test". If you as a man can't even stand up to her, then what use are you going to be as a "Protector of loved ones" (your children with her, her when she's pregnant and has to rely on you) when she's threatened.

If she gets it wrong then that's the end of her gene line. Nature hard wired "shit testing" into the female brain as those females who didn't shit test sometimes got their choice of partner wrong and the "don't shit test" neural trait became extinct in the female population and the "do shit test" neural trait became dominant.

By setting boundaries with a woman your showing your "mettle" as a man and also demonstrating an "abundance" mindset which implies you have a lot of preselection going implying lots of other women have tested you and you're the real deal.

Both are big attraction triggers in women.

After lots of conversations with various women over the years I've come to the conclusion that they don't even realise they're doing it; It's just an unconscious urge which they feel obliged to release and the average AFC just stands there thinking "what the fuck is going on here?".

It's all part of the game. A pua who gripes about shit tests is like a sailor who complains about the sea. That's just the way it is. Deal with it and learn to sail the stormy waters of "shit test ocean".

Setting boundaries is like strengthening your hull so it can stand anything thrown against it; once you get through the rough patch it's pretty smooth sailing.

Really attractive girls will seriously test your boundaries as they know they have a lot of genetic value. Most guys are so focused on hitting their genetic jackpot with them that they drop into default mode of being "nice" and "understanding" and in certain cases "super nice" thinking that's what the woman is looking for: Alas the world doesn't work that way and neither do her "attraction switches".

It's the elusive obvious counterintuitive conundrum, unless......you know how the game is played!

Sure, it's not fair that women can give you all this negative emotion just to see if you're man enough to be let into her panties but the door swings both way.

Men have tests too but all ours are passive. You walk into a club. what's the first thing you do? Look to see who all the attractive women are. You're testing for healthy strong genes in the local female population. The beautiful girls (healthy genes) you're attracted too, the ugly ones (not so good genes) your not.

Is that "fair" to the ugly girls"? Not really; it's "just the way it is". You have nothing against them but you're not attracted to them. If some girl says to you "Hey, you should look at the person inside not just how they look on the outside" is that going to make you attracted to the fatties or uglies on the grounds that it's for the good of society and you should reset your attractiveness evaluation firewall?

No way Jose...sorry girls that's just the way it is...bit like your shit testing guys antics.

This is one of the reason guys are always asking "is this a shit test" type of questions. They really don't get what a shit test is. A shit test is when a woman tests the frame that you are representing. You in essence already set the boundary and she is checking to see if it's real.

If you want to "hack" a shit test, don't misrepresent yourself. If you're not misrepresenting yourself and she feels the need to test your frame you won't even notice that there is a shit test happening.

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Good way to reframe shit tests as not being negative, but conducive to the overall propagation and evolution of the human species. The more you go out and get your skills tighter and frame stronger, the less shit tests you will encounter or you will be able to handle them better and know how to break rapport with her. Shit tests will be practically non-existent once you develop your social circle and get warm introductions from others because you already have perceived rapport, trust and value within the group.

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Again...if you don't misrepresent yourself, you won't have any shit tests given to you. Social circle and warm introductions won't even be needed because she will have nothing to test. Even if she finds something to test, you probably wouldn't notice because you're not putting on a false front.

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Couldn't agree more. However, for most new guys, the idea of not misrepresenting themselves is usually just a concept that they haven't full internalized yet. If they get a negative response or "shit test" from someone, that may throw them off if they don't have a strong enough frame yet. Outer game techniques will help before they've internalized that and it will also help develop their inner game and congruency over time because they become more confident.

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Then maybe it's just me. The concept of "don't pretend to be something you're not" is very easy to understand for me. It's even easier than the breaking rapport stuff. I have a hard time believing that a new guy can't internalize being who they are but can internalize being who they aren't.

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Understanding what shit tests actually are takes away 90% of their power.

Instead of giving an emotional reaction to one which most guys do, you say to yourself:

"Ah this must be one of those shit test things to check my manly credentials out....[chortle]".

The girl sees her test has had now effect on you so assumes your masculine frame is sound but in reality it has had no effect on you because you know where she's coming from, why she's said it and the reason she's said it.

It's cheating the system really but it does give you more success with attractive women and that's the perfect scenario and foundation for building your inner game on till you actually become a high value man.

LMAO...Why do you always throw out percentages to things that can never be proven?

Okay...I'm starting to think that I need an example. Please give an example of a shit test that is given to a man that IS NOT misrepresenting himself and he has to think "Ah this must be one of those shit test things to check my manly credentials out...[chortle]". Keep in mind that most guys on the forum that don't understand what a shit test is confuse playful banter, not returning a text, flaking, losing interest, or a simple question as a shit test. Also, include how you already set the boundary to the shit test that she is now giving you. I'd put cash money on the table saying that if a guy isn't putting on a false front can easily deal with whatever a girl is throwing at him to the point that he isn't even aware that his manly credentials are being challenged.

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100% agree with what Jack is saying here. If you are who your are, you don't see shit tests. If you have abundance mentality and a girl does something bitchy, crosses a boundary or something, you'd be turned off. You'd be less attracted to her. She'd lose points in your eyes. You won't even think abt shit tests, because you'd automatically feel they way you should feel. If you're reading it as a shit test, you're thinking too hard. And if you had abundance, you just won't care that much. A weird analogy: you have enough money to get any car you want. You walk into a car dealership and the dealer is rude to you. Because you have enough money to go anywhere else, you just walk off. You dont think abt whether it was a sales tactic, whether you did something...all you know is you have the ability to get better SPAM so you leave. If you're trying to pass a woman's test, its because your natural response is contrary to that off a guy with options.

A great quote on tests and games: By accepting that women will test you, ie test boundaries, bring negative emotions so you can prove something, you're lowering your standards hence you will get them. Same way the girl who accepts that its normal for guys to disrespect them will get guys who disrespect them. The women who dont tolerate disrespect, guys wont dare disrespect them. Same way if you hold the women you date to a higher standard, she wont test anything. If you're saying you accept tests as part of dating, you're saying you have low expectations, so how much abundance could you have? Not to you OP, just rhetorical. Maybe it does help new guys at least have answer, but I'd say you should be seeing them after some success.

The post is for noobs not experienced PUA's. Alas guys just starting in PUA don't tend to be of an abundance mentality with rock solid inner game.

This is what too many of the "experienced PUA's" are doing. They put out a post that will enforce a bad habit instead of teaching, or even mentioning, the right way of going about things. Once that the bad habit they are teaching is questioned, they always hide behind the "it's for the new guy" excuse. Name another profession or hobby that a teacher or mentor would promote a habit that will later have to be broken instead of developing good habits from the start. It's a disservice to do that to people.

I'll ask again. Can you please give an example of a shit test that a woman gives to a boundary that you've already set?

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Maybe you should give an example? If this is for noobs, why no examples on what a shit test looks like? Heck, multiple examples then. Its all very vague to specifics, a guy reading this could have a gf who flirts with a guy in his face and take that as a shit test. This same guy can read this and assume thats his gf's constant flirting is just natural, she's testing your boundaries as she should, not a huge red flag. This is way too vague for a newb and more likely lead to accepting bad behavior. Can you clarify with some examples?

Setting boundaries is a bad habit?

As a generic example of a shit test: It's an action taken by a woman to elicit an emotional response in a partner/prospective partner to assess how he deals with it and thus tests their frame by stress testing their persona.
Exactly. If he's a noob and doesn't realise the modus behind the test then he will give an emotional response and thus fail the test.

Thats not an example. Can you give an example or examples? It shouldnt be difficult...Like "She does this (insert specific action or statement) is an example of a shit test.

Huh? Im genuinely confused. So a guy whose gf flirts with other guys, should not give an emotional response because its a test?

Please, give specific examples. I'm not trying to critique or bash your post, and I doubt Jack is too, I'm honestly hoping that you have specific examples of shit tests and how to handle them so I can see your point here. Also, how do you ever know the motive behind a woman's actions? If a woman hits me, maybe she's testing to see if I'll go crazy on her. If a girl cheats on me, maybe she's testing my response? Youve given definitions that are soooooo broad, any thing can fit your description. So again, examples would be appreciated.

The whole "hacking the shit test" is setting a bad habit. You go as far to say that a woman is testing his frame. If he responds to this shit test in a way that is designed to hack her test, he's not addressing the underlying problem that is with himself and how he represents himself. It would also be a bad habit to set a boundary and then allow for that boundary to be tested.

You're generic example of a shit test isn't an example. It also doesn't address how a boundary that a man creates is being tested.

Like Neo said, I'm not trying to bash your post. I do think that the fundamentals are flawed in your current explanation, that's why I'm asking for more detail.

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