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Hey guys, three days ago I layed my latest prospect, I used her (that's a horrible choice of words I know) for an idea I had of making lays a lot easier and it worked like a charm, so I thought I'd share the entire story with you guys.
This is very helpful for anyone who has any sorts of doubts about pick up, from approach all the way to full close. So if you are looking for a LR that is not bragging but actually constructive and helpful, this is the one!

Day1. The Approach

So I'm sitting on BART (San Francisco subway in case you didn't know) I'm on my way to meet my escort girl (read my other LR i-fucked-a-hot-escort-girl-for-free-vt54002.html) and I run on to the train, I only caught it with like a second of margin before they closed the doors, so I'm tired and panting, I sit down at the nearest seat.
I just realized what an idiot I was, sitting down without browsing my surroundings, on a train to SF on a friday, Dude!
So I look around and at a nearby seat is a gorgeous brunette, stunning body and beautiful hair hanging over her sunglass covered eyes.
No many guys will feel like idiots since they didn't sit down there first and suffer too much anxiety to move, because it is so obvious why you move, but like Gretzky said "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" so I just moved seats and am now sitting opposite of her.
I don't use the 3second rule, at least not in this case, instead I ignore her, I pick up my phone and I call my wingman and leave a messeage to him, I only did this since I speak with a British accent, that's the only DHV I use, after my call she doesn't say anything but I know she is curious.
So then I just look at her, right in her eyes (she took her sunglasses off while I was on the phone) I almost stare at her until she gives me full on eye contact.

So I open "So Whats up?" This is my standard opener, it is kind of my catch phrase.
She plays it cool, smiles and looks at me and says "oh not much, just heading to town"
We start talking about what she is gonna do in town, she asks me what I'm gonna do, standard boring 2way convo, just to build some rapport.
Train stops and her friend enters, she is not so hot but seems very nice and start talking to me immediately.
So with both girls there, and her friend having no idea how much I have talked to HB I start making fun of HB with her friend, telling her friend that HB has been talking trash about her and stuff, all in a funny way, cocky funny if you wanna put it that way.
So this is where I sweep over to my signature, NLP, comfort building move, I find out HBs interest (in this case volley ball) and start talking about it, build up positive feelings in her as she is telling me about it, I tell her I used to play volley ball too (associating myself with her positive feelings) and then we keep talking about it, my stop is coming up so I tell her that I would love to get together and play volley ball some time, she says "sure" I say, so what number would I call?
#close and I exit the train (I texted her my number an hour later and she replied which is a good sign)

Day2. Building attraction

This was the experimental part of my plan, my goal was: Go out with her, build crazy attraction, not close in any way at all, and just leave the tension on top!

So after having texted back and forth for a few days (we never talked on the phone) we decided to go have a coffee at the local starbucks. Btw out texting was very neutral, a little cocky funny but no games or tests at all, just keeping up the convo.
So we meet at starbucks, I dont hug her, I just sit down in a comfy chair with my tea, so she will have to come over to me and join me.
As we sit there, I notice that she is a talker, which makes my job so much easier, I just control the topics and let her talk herself attracted to me.
See here is how it works: If you control the topics and let her do the talking, she will feel like she really hit it off with you, like she really could talk to you, and you can choose the topics to turn the convo in any direction you want, this is very similar to tactics used by Ross Jeffries.

So we talk about (or she talks) interests, our past, sex, food, parties, friends, I let her talk and I just do cocky funny remarks and change topics in the middle of her stories to prove dominance (it's the little things that does it)

After a while it just flows, even I start falling for my own trick and felt like we really "hit it off"!
Still, during the convo I'm searching for another "comfort zone" to use for the next date, something I can use to get her to a secluded area. When she mentions that she likes swimming I've got her, I have a pool next to my apartment.
So I ask her, what are you doing this weekend, it turns out she has friday night off, so I tell her "hey come over to my place and we'll swim a few laps in my pool and watch a movie" Notice that I never asked, I told her!
She agrees, and seriously.. swimming and a movie - translation: take your clothes off, get wet and come in to my bedroom!
One hour later the same night..
She drives me back to my apartment (it was like 5blocks so I walked there) she parks her car outside, maybe expecting something to happen, I just leaned over and gave her half a hug and left without looking back.

So friday (two days after our first date she is coming over to my place

Day3. The close

Again we texted (no calls, I don't mind calls it just wasn't necessary), we decide a time and she shows up at my place, I show her my apartment, we listen to some music and then we grab a six pack and head out to the pool.
We were swimming around, I made sure we played some kino involved games, Like light pool wrestling and stuff, and then we moved in to the spa (hot tub).
She was very ful of energy so I had a little trouble getting her to sit still enough to escalate things, so I eventually just took her arm and pulled her over and started giving her a back rub, I then had her giving me one, it has to be fair!
Then, again since she was so energetic, I had to keep her still, so I went old school, put her in my lap and pulled "the Cube" on her, I'm pretty good with cold reading so I managed to do an almost scary accurate analysis of her, now I had her relaxed, finally, sitting in my lap kind of leaned back.
So I looked deep in to her eyes as I talked to her, and waited for the first pause in the conversation, then I just leaned in and kissed her.

When it comes to the first kiss it is important to just peck her lips, don't thrust your tounge in, peck them, pull back, and then if she accepts lean in again, it worked like a charm and we made out in the spa for a while.
Another thing about first kisses, if you notice that she has a tounge motion or just a kissing style that you are not used to, don't try to change her immediately, use her way first, that will make her more comfortable and secure.

After some more swimming and light kino in the pool we where back in the hot tub, I sat down and pulled her towards me, I placed her in riding position over me and we started making out, it got more and more intense, this is where the tension I build up on the previous date really paid off, she just wanted more, she kept grinding her crotch against my boner which was now rock hard.
So I placed my hand on her butt cheek (outside her bikini) and as it got more intense I moved my hand to her butt inside her bikini, held it there for a while and as I noticed the liked this, I slid my finger along her butt all the way down until I could reach her vag and I started fingering her, I could tell now that she was horny as fuck. So after a bit of this, I pushed her away and said "let's go back to the apartment".

Remember guys, Kino escalation is always 2 steps forward, 1 step back, don't rush it, tease her!

Back in my apartment I felt I really smelled like chlorine from the pool so I took her into the shower, stil with the bathing suits on, we kept making out, I pushed her up against the shower wall and fingered her for a while, and again I stopped and said "lets go to the bedroom, I threw her a towel so she wouldn't soak my bed.

By now my work was done, I had built up so much attraction and so much tension that well in the bedroom we pretty much just dropped our clothes and started having sex, and btw it was really good, best sex I've had in a while!

My experiment all along was to see that if I took that extra day without any close and just created attraction could I make the f-close easier and more fun? And the answer was yes! Absolutely no LMR and everything felt so easy, it was a lot of fun, and I know some guys will critisize this and say that they would have closed the first day and not waste time.
My reply to that is, I met her on a friday and F-closed her the next friday, only one week elapsed, I had a lot of fun and since it wasn't a one night stand she didnt have to feel like a slut, I'm seeing her again this weekend!

Again about kino escalation, I find it much easier if you start escalating from zero, if you walk on several dates and increase kino little by little on each one you will never build up that tension that I used to F-close this girl. Next time, try this tactic instead, build up the tension and attraction until it's boiling and just release it all at once!

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Since I didn't quote anywhere I have to give some props to Vin DiCarlo for some of the ideas that helped me come up with this tactic, his material is great and he is really a master PUA

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That was really good... thanks for sharing :)


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Slywalker, I agree wholeheartedly with this strategy of: 1) Approach on day 1, 2) Build attraction and very light kino day 2 (no close), and 3) f-close day 3.
From my experience, when I day 1 k-close a girl there is a MUCH lower % chance of f-close than if you wait for day 3 k-close.

Last week, I did this exact same thing on a very attractive girl. I approached and got her email address on day 1.

On day 2 we grabbed a bite to eat + drinks and I spent the entire night building comfort. At the end of the night, I could have gone in for a peck on the lips and she would have kissed me back. Instead, I didn't even hug her (a bit of a gamble not even going for a light hug), I just said goodbye and that I'd see her again.

Day 3: meet for drinks at a bar close to her place (Oh, im so nice for offering to go to a bar that is right next to where she lives! she tells me. lol lol lol). I do light kino escalation, and build comfort + rapport the entire night. At the end of the night, her eyes are begging me to kiss her. I kiss her, and then we go back to her place for the f-close and -ZERO- LMR.

We are meeting up again this Thurs night.
btw, I still don't have her phone number. we've done this 100% through email, haha. I'll probably be able to f-close her another half-dozen times considering how well we've hit it off and how much rapport we've built.

Things I didn't do from your post that I can try to do next time to be better:
1) NLP (never tried it, dont know how to use it), 2) control the topics of conversation, but let HER do all the talking (how exactly do you pull this off? examples please), and 3) tell he at the end of day 2 what we will be doing on day 3 (I waited until a day or 2 later to email her and ask her out for day 3).


Imo, you may have escalated kino a little too far on the hot tub when you penetrated... i would have stopped RIGHT before there and invited her up.


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If there were a hall of fame for lay reports, this one would definitely be up there.

I have to applaud your self restraint with this chick too. According to your report, you probably could have gotten away with laying her in day2. However you played it cool and smart by keeping her wondering about you. Kind of like playing the mysterious card.

Brilliant report man, and thanks for sharing this.

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Brah wrote:
Things I didn't do from your post that I can try to do next time to be better:
1) NLP (never tried it, dont know how to use it), 2) control the topics of conversation, but let HER do all the talking (how exactly do you pull this off? examples please), and 3) tell he at the end of day 2 what we will be doing on day 3 (I waited until a day or 2 later to email her and ask her out for day 3).


Imo, you may have escalated kino a little too far on the hot tub when you penetrated... i would have stopped RIGHT before there and invited her up.


1. NLP can be very useful if you know what you are doing and really have an interest in getting good at it!

2. Ok so about controlling conversations, everyone loves to talk about themselves, especially women, so to get her to talk, have her talking about herself or things relating to her.
Try to ask as few questions as possible, if you only ask questions to maintain conversation she will feel like she is in an interview, to go out with someone the first time it is very hard if not impossible to not ask ANY questions. But try to alternate questions with assumptions or comments about her, like cold readings are very effective. Just saying things like "ah so you are the kind of girl who likes...(fill in the blank).... will lead her to keep talking.
Then when she is talking about something you can find side tracks, interesting things that she briefely mentions, make an assumption or ask a question about them and voila, you have taken the conversation in a different direction on your command. You are in power!
I like to have open conversations about sex with girls, it proves confidence.
This is very simplified but I hope you get the concept.

3. If you are asking for something that might sound bold or orward, like taking her home for a movie, I find it easier to say it in person, most of my game is non verbal so it doesn't work as well on the phone or by text. But that's my preference.

And as for taking kino to far, is there such thing? :wink:

Brah wrote:
Oh, im so nice for offering to go to a bar that is right next to where she lives!


ROFL, good job man!

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BadolzoN wrote:
shower maybe once every 2-3 weeks because the chlorine works wonders on your hair/ body.

Also, Chlorine makes girls hornier, it's factually proven.


I really hope you're joking.


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Hey man!

just read that report there and i did find it really helpful! the 2 steps forward 1 steps back technique for kino is really interesting, i've never thought to do that before so i'm gonna give that a bash!

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A great read! Sharing is caring!

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I really love your self dicipline.
good job.


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Two steps forward one step back hmmm
How about at a club
no wait i did do that. eye contact. get closer and dance facing her.
then i twirled her twice. got her hand on my shoulder then grind for a bit.
turn her around then grind more.

does this sound bad though? i wanted my mates to see me grinding this chick so i moved her to the middle of the dance floor. One step back?

then two steps forward would be turning her and making out out then i kid you not i assfucked her as hard as a i could just to see what i could get away with moved onto the tits and went down the vag and rubbed.

Then i tried for isolation and lead her to the couches. one step back?
sat her on my lap then made out with her again and squeezed her tits whilst trying to rub her vag as hard as i could lol

THen club closed and i lost her going outside with my buddies while she went to find hers.

Is that sort of two steps forward one step back or would it be more like getting a drink after the makeout then going to heavy petting then drinks again?

Love your posts btw. YOU ARE AWESOME!

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Respect man!
Really nice job. Especially how you control yourself not just to f-close her immediately but building the tension! I like it!


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Hey I'm just curious if you actually have a British accent or if you faked it to spark interest before you opened?


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Garfunkel wrote:
Hey I'm just curious if you actually have a British accent or if you faked it to spark interest before you opened?


I have a british accent, Im californian but I lived in england when I was younger so I can claim it legit lol
and the babes love it! :D

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Two steps forward one step back hmmm
How about at a club
no wait i did do that. eye contact. get closer and dance facing her.
then i twirled her twice. got her hand on my shoulder then grind for a bit.
turn her around then grind more.

does this sound bad though? i wanted my mates to see me grinding this chick so i moved her to the middle of the dance floor. One step back?

then two steps forward would be turning her and making out out then i kid you not i assfucked her as hard as a i could just to see what i could get away with moved onto the tits and went down the vag and rubbed.

Then i tried for isolation and lead her to the couches. one step back?
sat her on my lap then made out with her again and squeezed her tits whilst trying to rub her vag as hard as i could lol

THen club closed and i lost her going outside with my buddies while she went to find hers.

Is that sort of two steps forward one step back or would it be more like getting a drink after the makeout then going to heavy petting then drinks again?

Love your posts btw. YOU ARE AWESOME!


Yes, jus make sure you always give a little but take it away! make sure that you always pull out before she does, if you have ever been to a live concert with a mjor band it's the same thing, always leave the audience with less than what they want! Leave them begging for more!
Most guys make that mistake, as they are making out, they just push for more. Instead, go back and then do a little more!

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Awesome report, Sly. Confidence and Self-discipline are quite possibly the most important and hard to master attributes at the AFC level. (that's where I am :cry: )
Whats the most effective way to bring out sexual topics into conversation without being awkward?


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