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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:50 pm 
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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?

What limitations?

You make her feel good with your personality, vibe, game

Why are you on this forum?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:01 pm 
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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?
Be nice, but don't be too nice? You can be nice without buying girls things. You should actually NEVER buy them things.

Girls want what they can't have, so don't give 'em everything.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:34 am 
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From my learning so far there's 3 things you can do to test for attraction
1. Movement
2.Touching
3.Qualifying

Movement is the best test to figure out if she's attracted to u. She won't be compliant to move with you if she's not attracted to u.if she moves she's attracted and your in comfort.
Touching creates compliance as well as makes her comfortable/ameanable to your touch in the future. How she responds to your kino will determine if she's in the slightest way attracted to you. There are 4 rules w kino
-touch early (on the opener)
-release the touch first
-touch everyone
-escalate your touch /make a bigger move.
If u follow these u shouldn't have a prob with your kino at all other than if she's not comfortable with your touch in the beginning she's not going to let u touch her later on which is negative compliance n you're already off to a bad start. Tho from there there's nothing u can do about tht.
Qualification is the last one. If she's not chasing your validation for your approval or try to change/influence your opinion of her tht she's cooler than she actually is, again she's NOT atttacted to you. Shes then being apathetic n indifferent. Tht should actually be one of the most important rules for guys first getting into this. You cant seduce or pick up a woman who doesn't care about you or what you think about them. Qualification is what will move you through phases n help determine where youre at in the pu. Shes not giving u anything to work with nothing else in your "arsenal" will help since qualification should be lke one of your most important tools.
Heed these words n take them into account, n you'll b f****** GRAVY (:


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 4:38 pm 
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Thanks for the reply 1 and 3 work great with me but #2 the kino is a lost cause then ?


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 9:44 pm 
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Thanks for the reply 1 and 3 work great with me but #2 the kino is a lost cause then ?
You don't have arms? If you do...

Then there is no reason to learn or even think of a routine that will do the kino for you.

'Lost cause' my ass, grow some bollocks. You do know the goal is to kino with your dick in her vagoo eventually right? So it's in your interest to figure it out

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 4:31 pm 
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She fears touching me because she fears the comitment , stood her up about it .what can I do from here ? She fears things would escelate and I bet it would ...I guess it's important to point out I am 18 and she's 17 .


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Find a girl who isn't a nun. Or just prepare to put in the time and hope it happens, there isn't much you can do.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 9:37 pm 
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I knew this would happen , I just hoped the support on the forum would help get things faster


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:09 pm 
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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?
My advice, forget Kino and forget the nonsense about not being nice. I have gotten more pussy and head by being the friend. It's better that way because there's no strings attached unless she starts catching feelings.

Also, you don't want to be seen as the creepy guy that's too touchy-feely. You also have to be nice to a girl to do push-pull. For instance, if you talk to a girl everyday when you see her then you don't talk to her when you see her, she will wonder what's wrong and are you mad at her. You then just make up some reason why you didn't speak. These little things condition her to miss your attention but you can't do this if you're seen as a jerk. So there's nothing wrong with being nice when it's part of your push-pull strategy.

Also, learn some NLP. It works better for me than some PUA techniques because I'm a Certified Hypnotherapist and NLP Specialist but it's less of a routine and just natural conversation with things like embedded commands, anchors and triggers.


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:10 pm 
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you're right sometimes the kino i try bugs her but how can i use the nlp you mentioned practically ?Besides How can i anchor her if i can't even touch her :P


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 6:30 pm 
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you're right sometimes the kino i try bugs her but how can i use the nlp you mentioned practically ?Besides How can i anchor her if i can't even touch her :P
There's different ways to anchor her without touching her. You can learn things that she likes and anchor yourself to those things.

For instance, I anchored myself to a girl who really liked Luther Vandross. I remember telling her about a concert I went to in Nasville, TN and I saw Luther. I would say things like,"Can't you imagine us at a Luther concert together? Maybe afterwards we would grab something to eat and if you're lucky we will end up at a hotel for the night."

She laughed and my goal was to use this to get into her head and get her to imagine use going out together and having a good time before we even went on a date.

I remember she called me one time and said,"They were just playing A House is not a Home on the radio and I thought about you."

Now I have built rapport and I'm in her head I can lead her where I want her to go with Embedded Suggestions and other NLP techniques.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:42 pm 
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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?
My advice, forget Kino and forget the nonsense about not being nice. I have gotten more pussy and head by being the friend. It's better that way because there's no strings attached unless she starts catching feelings.

Also, you don't want to be seen as the creepy guy that's too touchy-feely. You also have to be nice to a girl to do push-pull. For instance, if you talk to a girl everyday when you see her then you don't talk to her when you see her, she will wonder what's wrong and are you mad at her. You then just make up some reason why you didn't speak. These little things condition her to miss your attention but you can't do this if you're seen as a jerk. So there's nothing wrong with being nice when it's part of your push-pull strategy.

Also, learn some NLP. It works better for me than some PUA techniques because I'm a Certified Hypnotherapist and NLP Specialist but it's less of a routine and just natural conversation with things like embedded commands, anchors and triggers.
Urrrrgh....

Just....no

Your advice is the worst kind because it has sensible advice mixed in with BS.


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I knew I should never get a girl a present but really how can I be perceived as a nice guy if there are so many limitations ?
My advice, forget Kino and forget the nonsense about not being nice. I have gotten more pussy and head by being the friend. It's better that way because there's no strings attached unless she starts catching feelings.

Also, you don't want to be seen as the creepy guy that's too touchy-feely. You also have to be nice to a girl to do push-pull. For instance, if you talk to a girl everyday when you see her then you don't talk to her when you see her, she will wonder what's wrong and are you mad at her. You then just make up some reason why you didn't speak. These little things condition her to miss your attention but you can't do this if you're seen as a jerk. So there's nothing wrong with being nice when it's part of your push-pull strategy.

Also, learn some NLP. It works better for me than some PUA techniques because I'm a Certified Hypnotherapist and NLP Specialist but it's less of a routine and just natural conversation with things like embedded commands, anchors and triggers.
Urrrrgh....

Just....no

Your advice is the worst kind because it has sensible advice mixed in with BS.
No BS just facts. I have heard from a number of people that things like kino and negs make them look silly and they get nowhere with the girl.

Mix it with NLP and it works much better because it's just natural conversation vs. a routine. You don't need kino to know when a girl wants to be touched. Body language and rapport is all you need and you don't have problems with a silly kino routine.

That also goes for negs.

Why waste time with all of that when you can just use NLP. In Hypnotherapy class you learn about the critical factor. If you weaken the critical factor you can then embed suggestions and use anchors in a much easier way. This is stuff that is tried and true and has it's Genesis with the Psychologist Milton Erickson.
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Where classical hypnosis is authoritative and direct and often encounters resistance in the subject, Erickson's approach is permissive, accommodating and indirect.[10] For example, where a classical hypnotist might say "You are going into a trance", an Ericksonian hypnotist would be more likely to say "you can comfortably learn how to go into a trance". In this way, he provides an opportunity for the subject to accept the suggestions they are most comfortable with, at their own pace, and with an awareness of the benefits. The subject knows they are not being hustled and takes full ownership of, and participates in, their transformation. Because the induction takes place during the course of a normal conversation, Ericksonian hypnosis is often known as Covert or Conversational Hypnosis.

Erickson maintained that it was not possible consciously to instruct the unconscious mind, and that authoritarian suggestions were likely to be met with resistance. The unconscious mind responds to openings, opportunities, metaphors, symbols, and contradictions. Effective hypnotic suggestion, then, should be "artfully vague", leaving space for the subject to fill in the gaps with their own unconscious understandings - even if they do not consciously grasp what is happening. The skilled hypnotherapist constructs these gaps of meaning in a way most suited to the individual subject - in a way which is most likely to produce the desired change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson

So no BS, just years of research.

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No BS just facts. I have heard from a number of people that things like kino and negs make them look silly and they get nowhere with the girl.
Not really any meat to this statement. If I told a girl that a guy would do kino on her, of course she would say that she is immune and it would get him nowhere. If I told a girl that a guy was going to do NLP on a girl, she'd say the same thing.

To say that kino doesn't work is probably the worst thing that you can say when it comes to any aspect of seduction. Just about every part of PU you can make an argument about what does and doesn't work except for kino. If someone is coming across as a touchy-feely creep, it's more likely that they are touching a person that has no attraction for them.

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