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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 12:41 am 
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With allowances for legitimate time constraints of course, but should I always try to go instadate>second venue>my place and just not even be the guy that goes number>text>meetup?


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 1:22 am 
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Yeah. It forces you to take action. If you can't pull it off the same day, get the number, text, and pull it off the next day. Your rapid actions get girls excited. When girls play hard to get, next them. This is when it gets good. Several of those play hard to get girls will start chasing you.

My instadate rapid approach looks something like this:

10 approaches --> 3 instadates
30 instadates --> 1 same day lay
30 instadates --> 2-3 lays within a week on top of the SDL
30 instadates --> an additional 3-5 lays within 2 months


So for 100 approaches, my current rough results are:
- 1 SDL
- 2-3 day 2s
- 3-5 play hard to get girls chasing

Total: 6 to 9 new lays every two months. That's a 6% to 9% f-close rate per 100 approaches. If the batting average is good enough for you, stick with the instadate approach. If not; try something else.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 1:41 am 
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I mean if you have the time...why not?

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I don't think you need to make it a hard and fast rule or anything. Just calibrate and judge where you are at with her and if you think same day f-close is worth going for. Because if the moment isn't right, or she simply is not a same day lay kinda girl, then you could scare her off if you are always hell bent on f-closing right then and there with every girl no matter what.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:16 am 
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Yes.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:04 am 
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puaninja wrote:
I don't think you need to make it a hard and fast rule or anything. Just calibrate and judge where you are at with her and if you think same day f-close is worth going for. Because if the moment isn't right, or she simply is not a same day lay kinda girl, then you could scare her off if you are always hell bent on f-closing right then and there with every girl no matter what.


Or she might just be on the rag... lol

Seriously any number of reasons can stop her at first sure go for it but don't expect a high batting average.

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That ^.

You'd be more successful if you live in a highly touristic area. Vacation mentality will swing in your favor but like he said, don't hold your breath.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:20 pm 
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poeticlyskuac wrote:
Seriously any number of reasons can stop her at first sure go for it but don't expect a high batting average.


Yep. In day game, your odds for the same day lay are stacked against your favor mainly due to logistical reasons. The girl needs to go to work. She has an exam, etc. There will be non-logistical reasons of course. Your odds go higher in your favor though for day 2s with instadates. However, ASD will make most girls play hard to get.

I honestly think though that the odds are better for SNLs during night game but I haven't done that much night game compared to day game. So I could be wrong.

Clozer appears to have a high batting average for same day lays so I would highly recommend to the op to read Clozer's Lay Reports.

As a rule though Op, always directly convey your intention nonverbally to fuck the girl the first time you interact with her. This will save you a lot of time and effort in the long run.

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People fuck this up frequently. Yes, your goal should be the same day lay. Logistics aren't super important. And you avoid her going home that day and thinking of a way to keep you from seducing her again because you aren't her type...or some bs.

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Yes, keep that mind set, but let the turn down roll off your back like nothing, it makes day 2's that much easier.

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Wtf is an instadate? Like you interupt a woman to meet her and then take her to the bar right after introducing yourself?

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Sunshine_88 wrote:
Wtf is an instadate? Like you interupt a woman to meet her and then take her to the bar right after introducing yourself?


or across the street for coffee, or for a walk around downtown. I mean in a really strict sense it's just transforming the interaction from two strangers meeting to two people hanging out.

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same day lay should be your goal, cause it will force a really strong interaction that even if the lay does not happened at that point in time (and most won't unless she is a tourist, really likes you etc...)

That strong interaction will cause either investment from her part (good)

or some asd/remorse/state change (kind of bad)

vs

just giving you the number for giving you the number out of politeness...


I can have Taylor swift or _____ fill in the blank hottie, if the interaction did not have tons of vibe, kino/escalation, chemistry, investment, excitement... I usually do not even bother following up...

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Monsignor Crisanto wrote:
Yeah. It forces you to take action. If you can't pull it off the same day, get the number, text, and pull it off the next day. Your rapid actions get girls excited. When girls play hard to get, next them. This is when it gets good. Several of those play hard to get girls will start chasing you.

My instadate rapid approach looks something like this:

10 approaches --> 3 instadates
30 instadates --> 1 same day lay
30 instadates --> 2-3 lays within a week on top of the SDL
30 instadates --> an additional 3-5 lays within 2 months


So for 100 approaches, my current rough results are:
- 1 SDL
- 2-3 day 2s
- 3-5 play hard to get girls chasing

Total: 6 to 9 new lays every two months. That's a 6% to 9% f-close rate per 100 approaches. If the batting average is good enough for you, stick with the instadate approach. If not; try something else.


So i'm guessing you ask all the girls to come
back home with you on the same day you meet them? The ones that turn you down, do they usually agree to a second date? Why do you feel like coming on really strong in the beginning is a good
Idea? Can't any guy come on strong and display his intent to have sex early
On? How does this make you stand out at all?

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Monsignor Crisanto wrote:
Yeah. It forces you to take action. If you can't pull it off the same day, get the number, text, and pull it off the next day. Your rapid actions get girls excited. When girls play hard to get, next them. This is when it gets good. Several of those play hard to get girls will start chasing you.


Yep.

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