Uhuh, I see. And your advice would be what? To meet men at their house on initial dates?

I don't think it's so much waiting 2 to 3 dates. More to do with getting a better idea of who the person is before being alone with them. In theory creep guy or aggressive guy would get screened out before date 3 so a chick wouldn't go to his house.

I almost never had a man oppose himself to the idea of meeting in public. It was, and still is, a normal thing.

If you were so good with women, you wouldn't be here in the first place. You wouldn't spend countless hours learning tips and tricks to pick up gorgeous women. So, in a sense, to you, yes, gorgeous women are a prize and you are spending your time and effort (not money, of course) trying to win them over.

Go for regular looking chicks. Stop going after 'gorgeous' women. You don't want to go out of the way for a woman, so why should a woman go out of her way for you?

But the argument was meeting in public for the first 3 dates so the girl can get a feel for the guy. How is that treating a woman like a prize?

I see that you strongly disagree about putting in effort for women. Asides for opening your mouth to do smooth talk. So don't put in any effort. Sit at home and let the women do all the effort in contacting you.

You seem to think that once you get good with women you should no longer be on the forum. That's like saying that once a weight lifter becomes buff he should no longer go to the gym.

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I was responding to the poster DJ_Z that believes meeting in public (with a woman he's met online) for 1-3 dates is too much work and treating her like a prize.

I get that, but how do you know that it's true of him? I get that you don't agree with a lot of guys philosophy on dating, but it doesn't mean that they aren't good with women.

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Beer goggle logic.

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Another fallacy to remember guys, that this troll has used :

Pickup is the one skill you can't learn? Nonsense. But people like her will say that, ubless you're great at it from birth, you are weird or a lose for wanting to prove.

Also worth noting, this is my hobby I do for fun, like poker. Am I enslaved by poker for wanting.to be good at it?

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I don't understand how meeting in a public place for the first 1-3 dates correlates to treating a woman like a prize. This is for her own safety. And if a man is gentleman enough to understand this, it shouldn't even be a discussion. I don't understand DJ_Zs point of view. He basically wants to put in minimal effort for maximal reward aka sex.

When have I said you can't learn pick-up? I've said men come on here to learn pick-up because they are not good with women in the first place.

I don't understand what's your vendetta against me.

Isn't that the truth of anything? You want the best you can get with the least amount of effort. You not understanding his point of view doesn't mean that his point of view isn't valid.

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It is a valid point of view. We all love a good sale.

A wise man once gave me a very good piece of advice that I have followed and unfollowed and saw the consequences of both:

He said that men love and appreciate a challenging woman. Even if she's beautiful (and intelligent and all that good stuff), if she gives herself up too easily, she will be of less value in his eyes because he's won her over without much effort.

And it holds truth. Why, for example, are so many men reluctant to form a committed relationship with a woman they've slept with on the first night? Why are so many men not calling back their one-night stands?

Now of course you can get quality for a good bargain.

Three dates before sex? Lmao...

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Looking good and having a personality will get more guys to stick around then looking good and playing these games. Guys arent sitting around thinking "wow, that hot chick I fucked the first night with the great personality...I'll just forget about her because she fucked me too soon." If a guy doesnt commit to you, its not about whether you were too easy...odds are he's not physically attracted to you too much, and you have nothing going for you. The women who want to be a challenge, only do so because they dont have anything else to offer. When you make yourself a challenge, the other person's focus is now away from you and is now on achieving something. And that doesnt last long.

From a guy's point of view, this experience depends on your own level of attractiveness. For a guy, if you are doing online dating or cold approaching and getting new tinder matches every day, or going out and grabbing a bunch of numbers every day, you can afford to screen out girls for easier dates. Girls that are too picky or want to be a challenge just get tossed aside in favor of easier more appealing options. The majority of women are not going to be very excited for a house date immediately, but there are going to be girls that know exactly what is going down and if they think you are hot enough and you are not crude or pushy about it, they will be willing to do close to anything. This makes the screening process much easier, as a date that starts at your house, is a much easier date to pull off and takes next to no effort.

Also you should keep in mind when on dates that it isn't how long you make a guy wait that makes him decide if you're a keeper, it is how much of a connection he feels with you. I know for myself I'm an absolute sucker for goofy girls that are confident enough to joke around and tease me, without that element there I will rarely end up actually dating a girl. Typically however as long as physical attraction is there, that is usually good enough for a guy to want to sleep with you. If there is no connection there, but there is physical attraction, holding a guy off for a few more dates really just delays how long until he gets what he came for and slowly starts falling off the grid. If there is nothing in common and no enjoyment around being together besides the sex, then typically that is all the relationship will be unless the guy is desperate and clinging in there because he has no other options.
There is no ambiance at 6pm, where is your sense of romance girl? Bring some mace if you're scared and call a girlfriend before you go so she knows where you are. It's good to be careful but at a certain point it starts to be ridiculous if you won't even go out during the evening on a date. Candle lit cocktail lounges in the evening are so much more fun and classy then local pubs/restaurants and coffee dates are absolutely terrible if you don't like coffee.