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I'm 21yrs old, have not had sex in over a year, no 2nd base action for about 3months. This relates a lot to addictions, lack of motivation as well as I had different goals at the time mostly study and figuring out what I wanted to do in life. I'm partly unemployed, working for my parents but still looking for a job in hospitality with no luck!

I've always been a nightgamer and sucked at daygame, thats right.. I'm a fucking alcoholic :o.


I'm starting this journal because I feel like my outlook on life has to change. I've even had a near death skydiving experience which hasn't changed my state of mind. Heading to Europe in 3 months and before I go I hope something about me has changed by then.

Only started getting back into the forum 3weeks ago before that it was about 9months since I logged in. My first goals I want to achieve are first get laid ASAP, I have no hunger to get laid because its been so long and I know my confidence will feel artificial until I get some action. I also want to get my first daygame number close and start applying the 3second rule more often. These goals are aimed for the next 2weeks and lastly I want to understand the Monkey Mind thread Lol :P

Oh and thanks Chief I am starting this journal because of your post and will be applying your Outer Game thread :wink:

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Naturally, I am not a touchy feely guy which is why I've had my best success with 60yrs in the past. However after discovering it i began trying new styles and completely forgot how important escalation is and I have to thank someones post a few weeks ago that reminded me.

9th Jan
I am a noob at daygame and its an eye opener how much confidence alcohol gave me. I use to drink about 15drinks a night but I am slowly cutting it down.

1st Girl
My brother had some operation on his leg and I had to pick him up from a clinic. I got to the counter and there was this cute blonde. I walk up in my singlet and my pyjama shorts and make eye contact with a smile .. I make some small talk nothing flirty but she was smiling back as I made bit of a joke of how I walked into the wrong building, she could have just being friendly. Anyway I regret being preoccupied in picking up my brother stopped me from continuing the convo, 5minutes later I was thinking about going back in there and just going direct but nerves got the better of me since going back in and if I got denied would’ve been awkward infront of other staff. I deserve a slap on the wrist.

2nd Girl
Was down at the shops to buy a present for my dads birthday and a brunette with short smaller than her ass was walking in front of me super fast I couldn’t see her face. She walked into a womens clothing store so I decided to wait for her to come out after a few min I looked in and saw she was working there.. fuck .. I almost gave up but was able to push through my comfort zone and enter a store I had no business being in lol.. too make it worse the store was super small so I had nowhere to hide! Anyway I pretended like i thought it was a mens store and started talking to her and asking where a store was which apparently didn’t exist (thanks mum for your advice). She was a bit older than me and under the circumstances unless I was completely direct, hitting on her was going to come off as weird but I flirted a bit saying things like “I think you’re trying to mislead me” with the bad directions. It was a 2-3min convo then i left. All in all I was happy with the push out of my comfort zone. -I'm taking baby steps

3rd Girl
Cute blonde eating sushi sitting down on a bench. This took me about 3min to approach but finally I was able to do it. I went direct by half asking for directions but also saying she was cute and I wanted to talk to her. Shes flattered but turns out shes married! Looked early 20’s oh well…

I approached 2 other girls one was a HB10 but all were just directions nothing special and no number close attempts!

Sticky points: Following the 3second rule – I am only able to follow this when I have no intentions of picking up the person as soon as im attracted it always takes me over a minute of stealthly stalking to approach lol how sad.
Direct in daygame – So far only got 1 direct approach in and it took balls
The first hour I missed about 4 cute girls that walked past and couldn't open.

Getting back into nightclub scene and trying out online for the first time but I really need to step up my game during the day.

Thoughts and advice on my journals are welcome, more details, less details?

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Get used to shaking hands! That's always a simple first step when it comes to working on becoming more "touchy-feely."

I drink quite often myself, but never use alcohol as a confidence crutch. If you're walking on crutches your whole life then your legs will never get any stronger. I think you can already see this.

You want to get laid ASAP? Have you checked out Part II of my Outer Game guide? chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-part-ii-vt96059.html

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Chief wrote:
If you're walking on crutches your whole life then your legs will never get any stronger.

I love this

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You want to get laid ASAP? Have you checked out Part II of my Outer Game guide? chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-part-ii-vt96059.html


Thanks I needed that.

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12th Jan
UPDATE


I have been reading A LOT on this forum lately and some threads have some really heavy shit which have been changing the way I think. Stormy's Sticky, Madals Sarging with stairs and some amazing posts by the big dog Chief.

Also have started listening to Eckhart Tolle - Power of Now, this bloke is brilliant. Its all about living in the NOW and BEING. Not being consumed by the voice in your head that can psych you out. I also tried the 10day positivity challenge and lasted half a day :/ Damn.

I was keen to go out tonight so I messaged 7 of my friends some were working, others had lame excuses, a few sucked all together. If it wasn't for all the shit I've read I probably wouldn't have done this but I went Sarging SOLO last minute decision and my night started at 1am FR in next post.

(This was completely out of my comfort zone since the last time I went solo I ended up in a fight vs 4 druggies which I did not instigate)


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Lets do this

I was feeling different as I drove in, thoughts weren't racing through my head, I was definitely a lot calmer and trying to take in everything moment by moment.


First club I arrived at was almost completely dead. The city I live in is pretty quite and weekdays few people go out. I walked straight in, (something I've started to do is not bother waiting for the bouncer to let me in, I just walk straight in and if they stop me then I'll acknowledge and pay entry.)

I was at the bar and a brunette opened me telling me some dude was throwing up 2ft away, I made a joke of it saying did you come up to me to rub puke on me as well? She laughed and started blabbing so I cut in and with a handshake getting her name and I introduced myself.

While holding her hand and giving eye contact I told her shes cute and that's the only reason I'm talking to her. She smiles then pulls away from handshake :/ .. Anyway I keep flirting saying how she shouldnt try to cut in front of my at the bar shes enjoying it and when the bartender comes he serves me first and her expression is like :O (why wasn't I served first she was thinking). I keep flirting telling her I'm only a gentlemen sometimes so don't get your hopes up ;)

Once she got her drink she went back to her friends, she was travelling and staying with some dude so not sure if thats the reason she wasn't interested. I sensed this when she pulled away from the handshake thats usually a bad sign in 60yrs method.

Again this place was fucking dead I saw a bouncer chilling and opened him "Where the fuck is everyone!" We chatted for a few min, opened some belgiums, then a group of funny AFC's I told one of them my mates bailed and he introduced me to his mates so I hung with them for a bit. It got pretty boring standing in this chode circle so after 5-10min I bounced to another club and said I'd see them there.

2nd Club wasn't much better plus I had to pay $10 to get in ffs, almost walked straight in damn bouncer. Skipping ahead to the dfloor there were 2 girls dancing, one reaches out and gives me her drink. Now this is an example of Chief;s COMPLIANCE LADDER. I look at my empty glass and hand it to her and she takes it! lol then walks to a table to put it down. I move in and although the music was loud I think she was asking her friend do you know this guy? Kind of a shit test. I was kino'g the back but fuck didn't hold the frame and failed the shit test.

BUT then 5min later she comes back and starts dancing in front of me (butt facing me). I get physical and spin her round for the kiss. We hookup 2sec later she pulls out (wtf?). I start running shock n awe on her and she moves in for the kiss 2sec later she pulls out again! (wtf!). This chick was weird and I wasn't feeling the vibe normally I get a boner after kissing a girl. Her friend keeps asking me where her drink is? I tell her I fucking drank it where else would it be?" 2-3 times these 2 girls were pecking each other on the lips and I was having suspicions these girls were either bi or lesbian because I was so confused with the situation.. They walked off to the bar and 15min I made a couple last attempts to re-engage using the claw but they went cold. Was going to make one last attempt suggesting a threesome but then they were sitting down talking to two lame ass guys. Wtf happened Can anyone understand this?

Anyway met an old friend at the club so partied with him and his mates for the rest of the night. Almost all girls were already with guys. Before I left I was thinking about apocalypse opening one of the bartenders but I think I over thought and used the excuse that the music was too loud to hear.

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Missed a few opens, 2-3 missed girls I could've opened plus the bartender :( )
Didn't isolate to a quieter area where I could hear the weird girl
Shock n Awe failed. I don't know why but whenever I try and use this it always ends in the chick apologizing to me saying sorry and this isn't the first time!!!!!!Advice?

Besides that it was a ]great night! and I now have a different outlook on sarging solo it definitely took some balls for me. Also I didn't feel sorry for myself after rejection which I use to do alot.


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13th Jan

Today I wasn't planning on going out but then one of my girl friends texted me to come to a festival she was at. I thought about it for awhile and she sorta talked me into coming as well which im happy she did!

I got there around 7:30pm and met some of her friends, one was a gay irish actor, the other was a movie producer and completely loaded. I was wondering how my friend knew these people! lol. I wasn't thinking about pickup I was just having a good time.

Kiosk Girl
There was a small stall in the festival with this fucking hot brunette working by herself behind the bar. A couple times I had walked past and she caught me looking at her. I was with friends and didn't approach and in the back of my mind I knew i wanted to go talk to her.

By this time I had stolen this weird medieval hat off my friend which was half broken and had one massive horn sticking out forward like a dick. When we were leaving the festival I was looking over at her as we walked past and she was looking at me, none of us were breaking eye contact, after a few seconds, I had no control over my feet and i walked straight towards her :D . At this point her and two of her friends that were in the kiosk started laughing hysterically!

I can't remember exactly but the convo was something like this
Me: "Hey"
Friend2: "Hey I love your hat"
Me: "Haha you like it? Its kinda broken someone pulled one of the horns off! :o "
Brun: "It kind of reminds me of something :wink: "
Me: Haha and whats that?
They all started laughing again

Me: Okay well i came here to order soo.. can I get..umm.. your number? then looking directly at brun smiling.
Brun: (She blushes and looks down) "I have a boyfriend"
Me: Oh yeh? thats cool we can all hang out together
Brun: ":) i dont think he'd like that
Me: He wont be cool with that?
Brun: noo lol

Hmm okay i looked at her for a few seconds in silence then decided to buy a drink while i was there. I asked what she was doing tonight and she was going home, introduced myself shook her hand, blamed her for making me lose my friends then left!

Was very disappointed!

Club from the Simpsons :P
As I was walking back to the main street everyone was opening me because of my hat calling me a unicorn, or your horny! And i walked back with a group of guys/girls that were pretty cool. I couldnt figure out if any were single but they enjoyed my company and shouted cya Ptown! as they drove off in the taxi.

I finally met up with my friends again and we went to this club that was literally exactly the same as that bar Moe has after he renovates it and it has all that weird shit like the blinking eye I thought it was hilarious! I even told the guy that was running the night and he thought it was funny.

And because it was SOooo much like Moes bar it sucked lol. The music had the same stupid beat the whole night and I couldn't tell when the song actually changed. People sitting in the outside area were all just talking and i was looking around, guys weren't even escalating on any of the girls they were with. Picking up her was going to take some serious skill because

1. 80% of girls were with guys,
2. Everyone thought they were high class all dressed up and high bitch shields,

I was definitely underdressed with just a singlet.

I tried talking to a group of girls when one kept eyeing me but she gave me the cold shoulder. I stayed there talking to the irish guy for a few hours then we went back to the movieproducers place who had a penthouse suite on the beach. The guy who owned it brought back this stunning girl and i was having a playful chat with her. I was very attracted to her and she kept eyeing me and not breaking eyecontact. I was being a bit silly and she thought it was funny. But in the end she wasn't my girl so I wasn't going to cockblock my friend I'm not like that. I think they ended up sleeping together and she left soon after so she may have had buyers remorse lol.

I had to bunk with the gay guy which was... a new experience for me

My thoughts
Although I didn't pickup I still had an awesome time, was really disappointed that kiosk girl had a bf not sure what else I could have done there. I seem to be attracted to alot of girls that have bf's dunno why!

I have to say the approach felt amazing doing it, just the way they reacted. The penis hat definitely helped :P

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Ptown wrote:
I can't remember exactly but the convo was something like this
Me: "Hey"
Friend2: "Hey I love your hat"
Me: "Haha you like it? Its kinda broken someone pulled one of the horns off! :o "
Brun: "It kind of reminds me of something :wink: "
Me: Haha and whats that?
They all started laughing again

Me: Okay well i came here to order soo.. can I get..umm.. your number? then looking directly at brun smiling.

I don't care if you already get IOIs; build compliance up to getting a phone number before trying to get a phone number (compliance ladder). You should have at least flirted a bit too instead of just saying like one thing and then asking for her number (conversation).

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Thanks Chief

UPDATE
Online
I joined a few online dating websites a couple weeks ago and after re-doing my aboutme section. In 3days I've had 10 girls contact me, a 40yr old gay guy (lol) and so far the ones ive contacted zero turn me down so if any wants pointers for creating a profile I can show you mine PM me (Its not perfect but its a good guideline I would think). But what I've also noticed is that these girls have no personality and I'm starting to think online isn't for me.

I turned this girl skinny
Ok going back a couple years when I was a complete dick to women. I was blackout drunk at a friends party and ended up kissing one of her friends that was pretty fat. This girl was really into me and was telling her friend (my friend) to get into contact with her giving her number to me. I wasn't interested but i got the number anyway. Few days later I was sitting outside a coffee shop with friends and she drove past yelling my name. I msg'd her to come sit with us and she had a really hot friend with massive tits with her. We chatted and they left after a bit, the next day her friend that seriously had circus tits added me on facebook and after a few weeks of talking we slept together. Fat girl ended up finding out and I think it broke her heart because of what I did plus how her friend betrayed her.

NOW last night..
I was at a pub celebrating a friends birthday and she turns up! When I saw her my jaw dropped I didn't even recognise her. She was smoking hot with a perfect body. I couldn't bring myself to talk to her because of what I did being a huge jerk, I wanted to apologise but couldn't. We caught each others eye contact a few times so she saw me.

I didn't sarge because it was more of a family pub so there weren't many girls, plus wasn't in the mood.

Lately when I've gone out the nights have been dead so for anyone reading sorry there haven't been many approaches.

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I don't care if you already get IOIs; build compliance up to getting a phone number before trying to get a phone number (compliance ladder). You should have at least flirted a bit too instead of just saying like one thing and then asking for her number (conversation).


Yes . . . but, I'm loving the pace. It's far more entertaining to read about the trigger being pulled too early than the safety being locked tight.

ptown, next time you ever find yourself in a situation like that, just pounce on it and chat with the girl. . . then apologize. If she's receptive, you're in. If she's shows you up in any way the answer is, "Well, I guess I deserve that. . . " and you're still in. Feeling giddy or moody about past events is a chick's domain. Allowing chicks to feel a giddy at the cost of a momentary acknowledgment of your feelings so you can get your dick sucked later on is your domain.


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I couldn't bring myself to talk to her because of what I did being a huge jerk, I wanted to apologise but couldn't. We caught each others eye contact a few times so she saw me.

I know you're trying to use my Outer Game thing here, but perhaps I should address some Inner Game things here.

You need to get in the habit of stepping outside your comfort zone, both for Inner and Outer game. You shouldn't bear the burden of guilt on your shoulder by holding onto that weight forever; that deteriorates your sense of self-worth and therefore your inner game over time. If you legitimately feel guilty about something, you need to confront it by manning up and apologizing for what you feel like you should be apologizing for. Keep your conscience clear as much as you can. Oh, and by the way, you're most likely giving yourself way too much credit for "turning this girl skinny" here. ;)

In hindsight, you should have walked up to her with a big smile as soon as you saw her, complimented her on how great she's looking nowadays (she deserves the praise since she obviously worked so hard to get so hot) and sincerely apologized if she felt like you were a dick to her in the past. I imagine the positive vibe would have made it easy for her to forgive you without a second thought and it could have easily turned into a very friendly interaction.

Keep in mind that learning to be a PUA also entails learning to be a mature man.

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I have to post my fails and accept them.
Thursday - Went out solo at 1am which I now realise was way too late I should have gone out at 11am. Made friends with randoms as I was walking and talked to other random people was in a really happy mood. I was feeling pretty awesome right until I found out there was no where to go in town and I suddenly felt really disheartened and unhappy. I've had these feelings the last couple days and those feelings came rushing back.

Almost all bars were CLOSED, there was one that was open but the line was ridiculous fuck that.. There were 3girls walking in front of me trying to get into a stripclub, one resembled Marilyn Monroe but of course my mood swings got the better of me.

DayGame today - I talked to 4-5 attractive women but I made no number close attempts which still isn't good enough!

The last couple weeks I've been going out and not drinking more than 5 so I'm barely tipsy not drunk and obviously sober during the day. Its funny because when I'm drunk I will do the craziest approaches and ask girls straight up if we are fucking tonight and don't care. Alcohol turns my brain off and gives me permission to do whatever I want freely. Without it, my ego is my problem and until I learn to get rid of it I won't have consistent nights. Caring what other people will think and trying to create the perfect situation in approaching is something I'm fighting to get over. I'm like the Lion from Wizard of Oz I need courage! :P

Since I'm partially unemployed atm I've been playing a lot of video games. I'm not sure whether this is stopping me from growing maybe someone can give some insight on this?

Going to a girls predrinks in a couple hours so I'm looking to turn this day around!

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How do you find time to play video games? Even on holidays I can't find any spare time to just lay in the bed. Time is passing so quickly.

Alcohol is a big problem for me too. You feel more confident when you are tipsy, but the point of becoming pua is being confident all the time. But then again...most of girls in clubs are a bit drunk, so at least I feel strange when you are not drunk and they are. But fuck them, let's try to don't drink! It is a waste of fucking money.

PS I used to play video games 24/7, but then I just realised that it is just waste of time and life.


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@Raph - Cheers bro

@kasabi - i love the giddy feeling, i was trying to be as natural as possible but its tough my mind goes blank sometimes, i find it tough to apply PU principles while being natural.

@Chief - Your right, I just couldn't pull the trigger and do it.

@Absoliutas - I am on holidays and sometimes I'm bored out of my fucking mind but your right it is a waste of time but I already knew that lol.

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