Does anybody actually use this stuff at all?

Captain Tightpants

I've been reading about the Ross Jeffries school of pickup lately (after being an avid student of Mystery and DeAngelo), currently reading "Secrets of Speed Seduction, Home Study Course Book and Work Book." I also just finished reading a little book about the October Man Sequence and I'm currently reading The Game (past the part where they mention the Ross Jeffries methods). It seems like the methods he uses work well and are possibly even more effective and reliable than MM and DYD, but who here actually uses them? I see on this forum everyone is talking about following the traditional "be the alpha male" style and using methods based on the M3 model or something similar, but there are no stories or field/lay reports in which anyone mentions trance words, embedded commands, creating states, anything like that. Maybe a few people use it in the field, but it's definitely nowhere near as popular as the "normal" stuff.

Why? Is it because it's all a scam and it doesn't really work? Is it harder to learn for most people? What am I missing here?

Chief · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

Yes, it's hard to learn.

I don't really mention too much SS-related material in my FRs because whenever I do use SS, it's just little bits here and there within conversation. Nothing too big to mention. I usually don't do full blown patterns when I'm out sarging. I try every pattern that I want to try, though.

Maybe I should write a FR about all the times I've fucked up the Fascination Patten Razz

There's this ONE spot where I keep forgetting the transition to the next line haha

Grape · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

I usually do these for girls who I establish long term relationships with.
When she's over at my place where distractions are unlikely I use my own NLP routines and The October Man is a great tool that can be played around with a lot.

So yeah, PUAF is about 80% rAFCs or newbie PUAs. NLP is more than just pick up and requires different skills than M3 pick up and such. Also, it appears "harder" than the other methods to PUAs getting started. And once someone gets started in one method, he tends to keep to it.

NLP itself won't get you laid. You need the personality and skills to open a girl and get her comfortable enough to be alone with you.

Seduction Maestro · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject:

I use SS as my main form of PU, mixed with a little push/pull and frame stealing from my old buddy Swingcat ( a former SS student).
I like SS the best because it's fun, it's congruent with me (I'm an artist/writer so it's only natural that my conversation is emotionally stimulating), the skills themselves make you a man that can give a woman something that almost no other man can give her (there's lots of people who can give cocky/funny), and because The Game and VH1 and RSD marketing have made SS unpopular in the communitty (which means an SSer is truly unique among pick-up artists and has even less chance of getting caught).
Now, it is harder to learn than other methods and it took me a year before I started getting results. But the results have been insane!

Hobbit · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject:

I use it to increase a girls physical pleasure. But not in flirting.

Stetson · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

I personally just use tiny bits of SS, the amount that I'm comfortable with.

fortunehooks · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

NLP, patterns takes some time to really get accustomed to using in many matters of speaking. One of the reasons, in my opinion that people like the M3 model and others is because NLP to some, gives them the creeps. I don't personally hold that view, but I have heard of many people who do.

Captain Tightpants · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am Post subject:

The Big Bad Wolf · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:

Devious · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:50 am Post subject:

I use SS from time to time, and I have to say, the biggest difficulty in learning to use it is your own internal resistance.

It's easy to convince yourself that opening with something like "who lies more, men or women?" will at the very least, not embarrass you. Mystery's material generally seems familiar and safe. Take a look at Ross Jeffries' material, on the other hand, and you're more likely to think "WTF? Serioulsy? I'm supposed to say THAT?"

After you have some experience with it (or experience with NLP or hypnosis), SS doesn't really seem so uncanny. You'll get used to embedding commands, directing trances and emotions, and all that. It does take time though.

Pabs · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:

All i would say is that with this kind of power comes great responsibility.

If you do decide to learn NLP, just make sure you set your own boundaries. There is nothing cool about preying on those who may be more suggestable than others.

Just my opinion. Very Happy

Seduction Maestro · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject:

"I'd like to talk some more. What makes SS harder to learn?"

Well the patterns are based on the way WOMEN communicate, not the way men communicate, and therefore it seems really strange to most men at first. You have to get your tonality right, and drop your tone with the embeds without being too obvious. You also have to learn to really pay attention to a woman, learn her trance ords and symbols and processes. Also, alot of men are scared of getting caught and it fucks them up in the beginning. It's also more straightforward than indirect game, so you have to have more balls. Memorizing patterns also takes up alot of time.

"Why did it take a year?"

For me it took a year because I had alot of inner game issues to overcome so that my consciousness was a good medium through which to direct the technology, and because I had to fuck it up alot in order to become congruent with it. There are guys on the SS list who get results in a matter of months, however, so it's not as hard for everyone I suppose.

"Can you give me any important advice for my journey into that discipline, or some shortcuts?"

Get the BHSC from Ross's site, so that you can be on the SS list and get feedback from people who are using the same methods. Record yourself using the patterns and play them back until you sound natural. Get Ross's or Hypnotica's "Inner Game" products. The "Skillsbuilder" pattern rehearser from straightforward, Inc is also a big help. But most of all, go out there and fuck up using the tech until you get it right!!

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