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Visionxxxxxx
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 Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: Cold or 'warm' approach.... |
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Im interested to hear how many of you do mostly cold approaches, or rather wait for IOI's (repeated eye contact) before approaching.
the 3rd category i guess is situational approaching whereby you open someone purely because they're standing along side you at the bar and you simply have to turn your head to open them.
i think cold approaching says a lot about you as it means you are going after exactly who you want out of everyone in the club. whereas if youre waiting for IOI's you have more of a 'i'll take whoever wants me' type attitude...the latter being more of a 'beta' mentality, and the former being alpha. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Cold or 'warm' approach.... |
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If I actually notice an IOI then to me that says "I wanna fuck you" so I'm confident to go in pretty direct and escalate quickly. If I see a set I like but they haven't noticed me, then I go in more under the radar, over the shoulder, situational or functional. Day game I only do situational or functional because opinion openers don't make sense in day game in my opinion, and going direct and escalating quickly would be odd because doing mega kino on a street or in a bookstore would be socially inappropriate. Some argue that going direct is the best way for day game because of time constraints, i.e. the girl is probably running an errand or meeting someone for lunch or something, so you have to get attraction and comfort quickly if your number-close isn't gonna be flakey.
As a side note, I believe Adam Lyons talks about "warm" approaches as re-engaging sets he initially opened with a quick 30 second - 1 minute functional opener and then ejected from at the beginning of the night, e.g. "hey is there another bar upstairs? Oh ok thanks for being so friendly, I'm Adam see u guys later", or sets that are opened by a pivot in your group. These sets are easier to open because, in the first case, the "mere exposure effect" means they are more likely to like you because they've seen you before, and in the second case because you're going in with high value due to being around other women. I guess any social circle game would basically be a category of "warm" approach since sets that are introduced to you through a mutual friend are gonna be far more receptive, social proof, preselection, abundance, etc. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Another gem by Vision, I personaly prefer a cold approach with a direct opener for most women. But then again its all about the type of women your opening. Put it this way i was out Sarging on Tuesday, and saw a very cute but shy HB and gave and IOI and a false disqualifyer as an opener. (The set was already slightly warm as we had been joking with them at the bar) So I hit out with "I love your hair, it gives you this sophisticated look while the baby face gives you such a wee look of innocence"..."Hmmm possibly too innocent for me" She smiled and i flew into the usual routines.
However i saw a more confident and vivacious blond standing outside, who was already being chatted up by two guys. I wanted her immidately and strolled straight into her set and said "Hey, im going to borrow you from your friends for a minute." (I then dissarmed her friends by telling them that id bring her right back in no time at all.) Then to validate my actions i said "Look Your stunning and i would have kicked myself if i hadnt come over, its nice to meet you im Saint" she was stunned. When lying in bed with her later she admitted that she has never seen anything like it before. That i was so confident and gave such an initial impression that she felt she would have missed out by not spending the night with me. Thats the beauty of a direct opener on a cold set is that its not something most women would ever have experienced and before she has time to think it through she is lying in bed with you.
I personaly prefer the cold approach, and its an area of focus for me, as i think it envolves more game to keep the set or HB going and also more confidence. However the "Mere Exposure Effect" that blond guy mentioned is also a great fun one to do, and very effective.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I probably do 3-4 cold approaches a night. Warm approaches are a must-do. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ummmm, I still dont get it. Whats a "warm" approach? |
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Visionxxxxxx
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ummmm, I still dont get it. Whats a "warm" approach? |
im not sure if 'warm' is the CORRECT PUA term, then again i dont care much for PUA terminology in general so, 'warm' in THIS particular thread means that she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Visionxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: |
Ummmm, I still dont get it. Whats a "warm" approach? |
im not sure if 'warm' is the CORRECT PUA term, then again i dont care much for PUA terminology in general so, 'warm' in THIS particular thread means that she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them. |
Ah ok. I'd have to say I'd go for cold approaches seeing as I never get those chances for "warm" approaches. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I usually go for warm approaches mostly.
Because, well, being as attractive as I am, I get hit on like 50 times a day, or IOI'd insanely.
So, basically, all my approaches are warm because, hmm, 90% of girls find me insanely attractive, much like guys find Playboy models attractive.
Like former posters said, it all depends on the person you're approaching, if I can see it in her body language/ NLP that she is a horny slut and wants my dick, then I'll go in hard.
If I see she's repeatedly looking at me shyly, I'll approach nicer and try to escalate slower.
Etc
Depends on the girl. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Corey wrote: | | Visionxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: |
Ummmm, I still dont get it. Whats a "warm" approach? |
im not sure if 'warm' is the CORRECT PUA term, then again i dont care much for PUA terminology in general so, 'warm' in THIS particular thread means that she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them. |
Ah ok. I'd have to say I'd go for cold approaches seeing as I never get those chances for "warm" approaches. |
How do you mean you never get the chance? are you saying women rarely give you eyes? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Visionxxxxxx wrote: | | Corey wrote: | | Visionxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: |
Ummmm, I still dont get it. Whats a "warm" approach? |
im not sure if 'warm' is the CORRECT PUA term, then again i dont care much for PUA terminology in general so, 'warm' in THIS particular thread means that she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them. |
Ah ok. I'd have to say I'd go for cold approaches seeing as I never get those chances for "warm" approaches. |
How do you mean you never get the chance? are you saying women rarely give you eyes? |
Pretty much......its extremely rare when it happens. |
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Corey I think you can change this if you want....
..do some research on dominant alpha male body language and behavior. It's unreal how women pick this stuff up. You'll start getting looks from all over the place. |
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Hmmmmmmm......wait, I was just thinking.......by warm approach do you mean that they look and smile at me or actually come up to me and start talking?
Because if its the former of the two, I get that quite a bit when I'm sitting on the couch at the Y by the lobby while I'm taking a break from working out.
Though if its the latter, then it never happens at all......other than one time at a bar with one of my friends that him and I were so surprised by it, we didn't talk too much. |
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| Corey wrote: | Hmmmmmmm......wait, I was just thinking.......by warm approach do you mean that they look and smile at me or actually come up to me and start talking?
Because if its the former of the two, I get that quite a bit when I'm sitting on the couch at the Y by the lobby while I'm taking a break from working out.
Though if its the latter, then it never happens at all......other than one time at a bar with one of my friends that him and I were so surprised by it, we didn't talk too much. |
..by 'warm' approach i mean when she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact (or a smile) inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them.
we are not talking about when she approaches you. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Visionxxxxxx wrote: | | Corey wrote: | Hmmmmmmm......wait, I was just thinking.......by warm approach do you mean that they look and smile at me or actually come up to me and start talking?
Because if its the former of the two, I get that quite a bit when I'm sitting on the couch at the Y by the lobby while I'm taking a break from working out.
Though if its the latter, then it never happens at all......other than one time at a bar with one of my friends that him and I were so surprised by it, we didn't talk too much. |
..by 'warm' approach i mean when she has already given you IOI's and this causes you to approach her. eg. she gives you repeated eye contact (or a smile) inviting you to come and talk to her.
cold approaching is when they dont even know you exist until you actually approach them.
we are not talking about when she approaches you. |
Ah ok, yeah I get that quite a bit and I make a bit of small talk with them......haven't been there in a while, might go for a number if I decide not to sleep in tomorrow lolz. |
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| BadolzoN wrote: | I usually go for warm approaches mostly.
Because, well, being as attractive as I am, I get hit on like 50 times a day, or IOI'd insanely.
So, basically, all my approaches are warm because, hmm, 90% of girls find me insanely attractive, much like guys find Playboy models attractive.
Like former posters said, it all depends on the person you're approaching, if I can see it in her body language/ NLP that she is a horny slut and wants my dick, then I'll go in hard.
If I see she's repeatedly looking at me shyly, I'll approach nicer and try to escalate slower.
Etc
Depends on the girl. |
I bet you cant go a day without making some validation seeking post in which you brag about something. |
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