I can sense your fear (jedi, haha) about what to do after all the attraction, you're good at the attraction but you don't know what comes next.

My opinion is you are plenty good at that attraction stuff and now have to work on what kind of questions to ask to get them to talk about themselves and feel good about themselves. This is comfort.

Once you realise that this is all really just about opening up to each other (or at least pretending to ) then you realise it's easy and you can stop being scared and be excited.

Because you won't be talking about how hot she looks or trying to angle the conversation as if trying to get her into bed, like every other guy. (Although you are quite free to talk about sexual topics, whatever you think you can get away with in the moment.

Instead get her to talk about how awesome she is. Just think about what you'd want to be asked. Of course don't over-compliment her - watch the social value levels and make sure yours is always at least equal or higher. The lowest you should go (and this is not a bad thing) is being excited that you share something. Not going "wow you're awesome"... well I guess "wow that's awesome!" is okay if it means you're hearing something new and are excited about talking to someone who does something you haven't learned. That's being excited about socialising, not making out like you see her as better than you, there's a difference.


That was a bit of a brain dump, hope you got something out of it

Hey Jason.

Sounds like you're having trouble getting into A3 from A2 using Mystery's Method.
Mystery said that a good way to test what stage you're in is to use the Bait, Hook, Reel, Release Method.

Example:

Bait: Random question such as What nationality are you? What do you want to be when you grow up ? (and don't say 'princess') or So, what do you have going for you besides your looks?

Hook: She answers your question.

Reel: You reply to her response with an IOI. Example you asked what nationality was she and she said German. You'd say, No way, I love German people blah blah blah.

Release: I can't even talk to you now (give a reason like you had a crush on a German girl when you were young at school) and give her a back turn.

If she pursues you then you're in A3 as you've just qualified her, she feels validated, you gave her an IOI.

Phew.

Now, to get to C1, you need to isolate. If she's in group, say to them that you'd like to borrow their friend like you mentioned in your post. Tell them that they're free to come over later, you're disarming the obstacles with this.

Then when moving to isolation, do some kino testing. Take her hand, if she holds on, let go, does she let go too or try to hold on? When you sit down, sit 2 feet away from her, does she come to you or initiate the conversation again? Calibrate the kino to match her comfort level.

As for the topics, she likes you now, you've won her over, drop the cockiness, build a connection. Use vague and abstract language, drop the boring stuff. Tell her that this is special, your first impression of her sucked but now you see that she's special etc.

Other things to do in C1 would be the ESP readings, The Cube, Ring Finger Routine etc.

Hope that helps. Good luck.

Thanks for all the comment, i really can use this things..

I am now thinking for a few days why something just arent working very well in the game. I mean.. Maybe you know what i am talking about an dyou can feel me with this. You approach a girl and you do these routines, but you are still experiencing the feeling that you think it doesn;t work. Maybe it is some limiting belief. But you see all these PUA and succes reports and I allmost cant belief it. I mean I am trying the shit out of me, but awghhh. It is so frustrating!

I mean I consider myself as a 'winner', but I just dont know what it is. I am also studying and how do you guys combine this. I mean, gaming is not the most important factor in my life, or it shouldn;t be. How do you guys combine it, i mean I think about this all the time and i think that shouldnt be good, or is it? Do you guys have the same opinion or not? I really want to get good in this, but i cant go out 4-7 days a week, so I cant get really good in the next year, can I? I mean gambler, neil strauss etc. Went out 7 days a week, i mean.. I want this stuff to, but I also have other things to do in my life. Or am i wining like a little pussy

Back to the stuff..

I recently read the gunwith method and the awe method. These methods imply also you are the leader, but they say all these routines where you dhv and especially cold reading are for losers. It is only a rational aspect and makes the girl qualify you more for talking.... I mean they talk more about the real feelin to have sex with you. And this is created by talking about sex and gazing very sexual at her. You should definetly read it for more knowledge and you really know what i am talking about because it makes sense like a fucking crackhole (positive) haha... Sorry

My next field game will be thursday or saturday. My parents dfont want me to go out that often (bummer)... I prefer doing night game.....

Keep you guys informed, hope you will have some good replies on this comment like before

cheers from Cheese land (Hollandia)

To me it's so obvious what the problem is, I've been through it and over come it, and David D's "Man Transformation" is all about this.

Most importantly, what I've learned is that feeling you get that it's not working - that's important. It doesn't matter what the logical facts are, eg. I do X, she should do Y, if you are FEELING fake, then you ARE being fake, and she can pick up on what you're feeling through your body language and tone of voice. You can't fake all those little things.

Basically if your head is full of "techniques" and "stages" and shit, you're not really being in the moment. You should be "present", you should be observing, you should be watching her body language, paying attention to what she's saying, and determining her state of mind from that, and reacting to that. If she's in one state of mind and you respond with some random "logical" planned statement that is "supposed to work" and it's got absolutely nothing to do with her frame of mind, you're not going to connect, and she's just not going to open up to you.

All these techniques and shit are just little tools that are on TOP of your basic foundation of being comfortable and in the moment. Which tools you pick should be governed by your gut feeling in the moment. The tools should NOT govern your actions, that is completely backwards and totally obvious to anyone watching. They won't necessarily be able to say what is exactly wrong, but they will get the vibe that you are "fake" and they won't treat you right.

When I'm out, I'm out to have a fun time, and I interact with people and feel out who's willing to come along for the ride. If anything "bad" happens, I've learned that, even though I might feel bad about it, I remind myself that it's my mindset and reaction to it is all that matters, and keep on going. You can make a "bad" moment into a "funny" one, simply by the way you respond (which is all about your frame of mind)

I wouldn't encourage anyone to dedicate a 24/7 mentality to developing Game. You're right that this isn't the most important thing in your life. It's one of several. I really believe that you need the right mindset and strong inner game to succeed at this.

You can't simply go out and wing it everytime displaying yourself as a fake. You'll get found out good and proper. Mystery talked about 'fake it till you make it'. I disagree with this entirely. You need to be real but there are elements that you can alter to increase your value in numerous situations.

Don't think that you're going out to sarge on a certain night, instead think that everytime you walk out the door is an opportunity to meet new and exciting people. Don't focus all your energies on one particular event, aka the night out.

Most of all, have fun. It shouldn't feel like a chore. If what you're doing doesn't feel right, then stop it, try something else. Try Natural game, you still incorporate things like negs, DHV stories and routines because it's what people do in everyday life. You'll catch your socially astute friend telling a story to a group of friends who are hanging on his every word and then he cracks a few jokes and bust on a hot chick. He has them all laughing. He has probably never even heard of this community but it's just who he is.

This might make me seem like a bit of an ass, but I find a great way to get things beyond the initial opener/game is to poke fun at other people in the club. Just start with small jokes about someone wearing stupid shoes, or havin bad hair, get her laughing keep her talking. This does require that you are very observant, you need to watch her body language and watch the way she reacts to the jokes u make about people ( try not to mock her friends too badly lol) . From this, she immediately things ur funny and light hearted and it doesnt seem like ur "trying" to pick her up. If your on the dancefloor, pretend like you cant hear her and tell her you want to take her somewhere more quiet to get to know her better. If she complies then your already set up to strike up a conversation about her hopes and dreams or what not. I like to use the " So where do you see yourself in ten years?" or say "what do u want to be when you grow up and dont say a fire man" somthin playful along those lines. Another great one is "If you went on a trip and never came back, what would people remember you for the most?" then build off it and ask her what she wants to be remembered for. The more the girls talk about themselves the more u learn and the easier it all gets.
I do like the marry murder shag game, but this is yet another thing u need to do from a fixed point that is less noisy than the dancefloor.

Yeah, thaht is true indeed. Yesterday was my sarge night/ have funnight

So, it went LOVEABLE. I got slapped in the face, but overall it went greatt again...

My goal was to approach again and having a conversation with a girl longer than 5 minutes.... I was wearing a whit v-hals shirt with short sleeves (for the muscles) and my necklace and a nice watch... Got a tan and i was ready yo go.

I used the gay-opener again, because it is in my opinion very succesfull: It works for me like hell . So my first approach was in the club, with the do I look gay-opener. The girls didnt hear what I was saying, because th emusic was so loud. I think I said it three times. They were making pictures of me... I said I charge for my photos, they laughed a bit... I went away to get a drink for myself, because it didnt come off and I used this one as a warmup.
Next I thought I could neg the next target, like tyler turden was saying:, steal peoples drinks and zip from girls glasses... SO I DID... When i was doing the zip from a hot babe who was passing by, I got slapped in the face by her and her boyfriend gazed very angrey in my eyes. Damn, i didn;t kknow how to react, and the even worse thing is my friend who was with me said, that I am an asshole in front of her face also. I mean, that is ok if you think it is wrong, but in gaming it is devastating for me, you know. It lowers my value. So I went outside arguing with this friend about this..... Damn I was pissed.. But I decided not to let my emotion let me down for not gaming anymore that night, and I just took the balls and approach girls again, so I went to the next club... There the real succes began..


I approached a 2 set (HB6 and hb7) Yeah, i know not very SHB, but still....Do I look gay with this shirt? (HB) Yeahh, the shirt is a bit gay..
Me, oke because I was slapped three times on my ass by three different guys and I saw you guys gazing at my ass, and i decided to just come over and ask if I look gay with this shirt or something. Are you guys gay?
(HB) NOOOO!! , haha
(ME) Oke, yeah

after chit chatting a while, turned out they both got a friend... But they were giving me IOI;s like hell, like hairtouching, laughing constant.. I said, if you weren;t having a boyfriend, could you kiss me? (HB) I dont know. (ME) I think you would, because i notice you love me a lot.. (Is this good to say). After this, the conversation went still haha, but it didn't matter in my opinion. I just took the balls to say this and that is the most important thing...

I approached a couple of other sets. I felt my energy-level was sky high and I felt I had this amazing energy around me. I think you know what I am talking about. When you feel you just had massive succes (not even kissing but it is just fun approaching etc.) you feel the energy and you feel it in your breathing the way you walk, you feel alpha as hell. So I was ordering a drink and I saw this very hot latina babe looking at me. I was just looking back at her and smiled, she smiled back and looked to the ground then looking back at me again,, if that isn;t an IOI hahah. I walked up to her and said, do I look gay or something.. She said: Whatttt?? But was allready pushing me to the wall and pushing her body (with damnn nice boobs) against minee. I thought this is enough for me, and I tried to kiss her. She turned her cheek, then I tried it again, and I said, I just want to kiss your other cheek, do you think I want to kiss you on the mouth allready? She said, what yeah you want. Me, no I dony. So tell me a little bit about yourself, what separates you from the rest of the chicks in this club why I should choose you. (HB) Ia m outgoung, crazy and sexy.. Damn, she was proving for me. I said, oke That is oke to me.. I said So why didnt you kiss me then. You are definitley attracted to me and you touch me all te time.... S(HB) Maybe, I am playing a game with you... (ME) Maybe I am playing a game with you.. (Now I should have said: You know, i am hard to get, and I am not gonna buy you a drink, or kino her like the shock and awe method, this is my next field assignment to even escalate earlier). She asked me what I want to become, Me: I am becoming a physio therapeut.. (HB) Oh so you can back massage me... Now she turend around with her ass against my wiener damnn... I massaged her and kissed her in the neck and ear.. Now The even hotter girfriuend came in, she said: Will you treat her good? Yeah, isaid I am a sweet boy... (I should even better have said: Will you make sure she treats ME right..) She said: Oke, she has good taste... (ME) I know

Then the latina (HB) was going to order a drink and chitchatted with the Blonde (HB) I said you get approached a lot. She, yeahh. (ME) Yeah, me to what do we do about it... You know I can make this very short or very long (lookin intensely in her eyes) Your girlfriend plays hard to get like hell. I mean I like that, but there is a boundary.. (HB) Yeah, me to, but I like you very much. (ME) Oke, you know I just want to kiss you for 10 minutes or so.. We kissed. I number closed...
Even later it turns out they got vfery pissed at eachtother the latina at the blonde , for stealing me from her.... haha What is this: The girlfriend fight routine hahaha I am definetley going to use this real story in my next game..

Thankss for reading and do you guys have and suggestiond for me to even escalate quicker and to even kiss the latina as well on her mouth to

Cheers,

Jason