you're right, my bad.

i definately get something from your post though. cpt. McLoudface who makes sure everyone hears him has attention. whether it's good or bad depends on the person hearing him. actions too, grandstanding in general will get attention. i think it's a venue that has more to discover in it, so that's why i think this post kees heading back to the peacocking that people are more familiar with. i think we're trying to build off that foundation, but it's really a whole differant thing. well worth looking into though, developing some techniques. if you have any you've tried let me know, i'll try some and let you know how they work for me too.