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Madals
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 Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hobbit, i see your point and i do see everyone who is argueing about the problem points. I agree aswell to some extent, I have said what i think about the parts a disagree and dont have anything more to say about it.
However, great analogy on why KJ's advice isnt perfect. It made your argument more clear.
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bearcock
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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your post made me think Chief.i just heard about this community a month ago and i just want to better my interactions w/ women.i dont have a problem getting fs and #s but i want the women i talk with have deeper feelings for me.i usually f-close a chick i met at a party but never see her again.if thats what i was in it for thatd be awesome but i want the women to like LOVE me.i see how my female friends are completely enamored w/ their men and i would rather have that than just get laid every weekend.
is wanting multiple women to be obsessed w/ me an egotistical way to start my life in the seduction community? |
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ConvAZN
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone has their poison. |
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Lockes
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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When I read this post I instantly thought of myself, and was a little sad because i'm pretty certain im guilty of this. I only have a few posts, and i most of the time give my opinion rather than ask a question, and by no means am i an expert, but i am going into the field and trying, so i dont believe im a kj.
But I like what Mandals said about different learning methods. Ive always learned better by helping and teaching someone else that was having trouble, because it forces me to think about the problem in different ways and how to convey it to that person so they will learn, so i inturn, interalize it. But that dosent mean i should give advice about problems i dont understand fully, It's unfair to the person with the problem. But i understand what your post was about chief, and i believe it helped, thanks. |
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reverse
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Chief, I agree with you one hundred percent.
I also know I have/do/will probably fit into the category of people you've described.
I also realize that most people will also fit in there.
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This is the kind of thing that one has to try and avoid as much as possible, without changing too much though. If we all sit back and try to obtain advice from those who we know and trust to be learned in the arts, then, unfortunately, this forum would not be what it is today. The activity of EVERYONE here helping, and contributing is what makes the community exactly that. A Community. This is not an "ask the expert" website, not is it meant to be a mosh-posh of worthless advice. It's the exact middle ground that helps to breed what we call PUAs.
I agree that we (as a community, and I include myself without hesitation) have gone overboard with this, but I also want people to realize that we can not go from one extreme to another. I feel, rather, we should continue as we were, with a bit more care when giving out advice. We should also not hesitate to question advice. This community can benefit from criticism more than anything else.
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Basically, to sum it up,
I feel that the community needs this kind of behavior in order to survive as what it is, a community.
We need to be here to help redirect those who ask the wrong questions.
We need to criticize those who give advice.
We need to accept criticism on our advice. |
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thunderbird
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Chief wrote: | | Gay wrote: | So you sit here and bash all these people. But how would we fix this?
I will not lie, I see myself with alot of those qualities.
Chief you mentioned you love women. I hate women. I hate the way they think they need to be treated better than men. How they think they control sex. Not going to lie.
I like being able to been see as someone with power, I want to have people ask me how I did that. Im not going to lie.
I don't try to force pickup on people. I will try to show someone pickup becuase I need a wing. Someone to bounce ideas off of. Someone to motivate me when im down. I will not lie.
But, all in all, im just a peice of shit in this community. Clearly I do not want to be this peice of shit, what would you think would be the approiate way of dealing with this issue I, and many other have?
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Congratulations. Recognizing that you actually possess such issues means that you're already moving toward a better path. The fact that you are actively searching for a better way - by simply asking the question - most likely means that you will achieve this goal.
See? By simply reading this thread you made yourself aware and you motivated yourself toward a direction of change. How do we fix this? Well... it's happening.
I went through a phase of hating women. I've probably been through a majority of the "phases" someone goes through when learning pickup. Well, at least all the ones that newbies and intermediates go through. I understand where you are coming from, but think about how ironic and nonsensical it is to be a pickup artist who hates women. Someone who by definition practices love as an art... a hater?
You may be bitter toward women now, but as you learn more and more about women, how they think, their struggles, their pleasures, what they go through on a day to day basis, and as you experience being around them and being with them, you will eventually see why it makes perfect sense to have nothing but love and compassion for these amazing beings. You're always looking through a limited lens to see reality, but you will be able to dilate that perspective as you learn more about other people and how they view the world. |
Hi,
I too feel like I perhaps have a negative attitude toward women. I don't necessarily "hate" women, I just respect them less than I do men. Since I've started using PUA techniques (about 3 months now) from reading books, watching Youtube videos, and internet forums, my success with women has increased tenfold, and my lack of respect has also grown stronger. To summarize, I've obtained a more negative view of women AND gotten better with them. While I still don't claim to be "good" with women at all, I was wondering if you wanted to address this. I'm not trying to sound caddy or antagonistic towards your post, I just seriously want some advice or your comments. thanks. |
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J_boy84
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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good post. we ARE males and the word alpha doesn't mean ego and giving out advices when you never have the guts to try yourself, most of the advices i hear from so many are orginal advices from mpua and those who truly are trying in field. Now you can also tell the differences between a wanna be who spends all his time on the computer and giving out advices and laying out false reports and those who live in the field living the dream, is the difference in number of posts between the two. those puas it in field living the life is busier than those who only dream buit still give out advices every now and then are the ones you can trust in a way. i very seldom post since i spend most of my time working and paryting. Remember practice ain't shit, you learn by doing it by experiencing it.  |
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Slie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Solid Chief, just fucking solid. I tend to fall into this a bit because before I found The Game and than the Community, my Aspergers Syndrome diagnosis prevented from knowing shit (I learn amazing, shitty instinctivally). I feel that it is better to come at this from this perspective:
-I am doing this for no one else but myself
-The goals I have are those I decided on
Pick-Up is not a way to exorcise demons, your demons will come to the fore and fuck with your frame. If you have demons, get some help. I have gone through periodic spells of depression and am still marginally experiencing one right now (I still get counseling occasionally). Any other insecurities you have about wanting to prove yourself or make up for past failures need to be dealt with as they will only hold you back (this episode is holding me back, if only the tiniest bit). |
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fabie
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Amazing post, you truly hit the nail on its head. I don't know what to say I am not that good of a PUA but I believe that being here allows me to understand things that I have never quite understood. And to know that I am not the only one struggling.
And I absolutely agree with the passion of PUA, I joined this community because I was frustrated that I could never show off my affection for women the way I wanted to. I think that for most people who joined this forum picking up women wasn't the first thing on their minds when they started, just talking to them was already an achievement! |
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NonStopReaper
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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When i first started This whole PU thing about 2001. i was in it for the Ego, Not the girls, or to improve myself.. none of that. I wanted to prove myself to other guys and blah blah blah. Through out the years... i grew wiser. Why am i in this? why am i doing all this for? Is it for the girls? social status? Ego? I quickly learned that my male Ego had completely consumed me and the way i think, act and live by. But i learned to get over that. I am to guilty of having my Ego talk then having my better half talk. since i found this Community and guidance along the way i have bettered myself and it really helps my inner game. Ego's? who needs them. The hard thing is that our Egos are Built in us. You cant truely get rid of it ,you only can tame it. Great post Chief. You hit it right on the spot. Made my heart tremble and also recall back some old memories from the past. If every Male can tame there Ego the world would be a better place. on another note i feel that the more Sucess you have the bigger your Ego Meter goes up soo in that sense
More sucess= bigger Ego
some how theres gotta be away to get that happy Medium |
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Jaybot
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I think a certain amount of bitterness is kind of a stage of PUA, it was for em at least.
Looking back it wasn't anything they did it was just me struggling with inner game. I had gone from having no women and no idea how to connect with them to using scripted lines and basically being a robot. The thing that annoyed me was it worked, my years of thinking I was a quirky interesting guy seemed wasted.
As soon as I dropped the canned stuff and was just a better version of myself I realized how amazing women are. There is no such thing as the perfect girl because in my eyes there are hundreds of amazing "perfect" women, with cool stories, interesting hobbies and what I can only really describe as beautiful souls/spirits (I'm not sure how to articulate that hopefully someone else will).
The only other thing that made me dislike women to begin with was when they don't respect themselves but is that their fault? |
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LoveJunkie
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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This is an awesome post man.
I think that these keyboard jockey's are usually recognized as such by anyone who's been in for longer than a month. These KJ's either lose interest in this community or they are caught out on their bluffs so I don't think they pose a threat to the forum.
These posters are to any public forum as spam is to email. After a while you recognize them and just ignore.
LJ, |
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Madals
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | These posters are to any public forum as spam is to email. After a while you recognize them and just ignore. |
You mean prince habubu doesnt really want to give me 98.4 million US dollars? 
Nicely said tho LJ, i personally agree they pose no threat as long as the true highlights of the forum post high quality things regularly. Guys, its really easy to get bored of the simple questions but either dont reply or post something good. Quality > quantity. |
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exolit
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| so how can i 'tame' my ego? can i ask advice here or a differant thread |
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Chief
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