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Infamous110
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 Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: PUA Book Club: The Mystery Method - Mystery. Chapter 1 |
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The Mystery Method ("The Venusian Arts Handbook")- Mystery. Chapter 1
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This thread is aimed to address the subjected book in further detail. Please read the above chapter and input your thoughts and discussion on any points you feel relevant to improving your (or anybody's) knowledge of pickup.
See following thread for further detail: [link]
- Casanova essentially had his own canned routines - violin/magic/magic violin.
- Mystery describes the book as his life's work. Certainly nobody can begrudge him profiting from this under any kind of "sell-out" mask?
- He mentions being the first to release such information - I'm not sure of the timeline of events for ASF ect, but I'm relatively sure Ross Jefferies was teaching this stuff before Mystery? He goes on to further dig at RJ emphasising the difference between influence and manipulation.
- Mention that he wants to turn you into a "generic cookie-cutter PUA". Turning somebody generic? Cookie-cutter?
- How important is having a "cool" social skill-set. This generically links to canned material?
- We are informed that looks are not important, but social value being key. I'm relatively certain that any ugly man can look marginally attractive with correct bodylanguage and a change of wardrobe (+haircut ect). How far could the "ugly man" be taken? Do looks DLV in any way?
- There is an example used of a HB and an elder man. He must own/run something. Is this contrary to above? Do we need to show this kind of leadership to create a LTR?
- Fear is described as a motivator. Fear of interaction a motivator to improve your S+R value.
- Being a social-robot is hard wired. Is this an evolutionary-speaking statement? Does this simply relate to find/gain a mate? I don't think cavemen had many dinner parties.
- Last point of the chapter seems to be the importance (or preference) to say no. This is a value thing but ultimately comes down to choice? Does being a yes-man effect your value?
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xfman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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INFAMOUS congratulations for your GREAT IDEA. You showed everyone that if you want a project to be done, you have to get into it.
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- He mentions being the first to release such information - I'm not sure of the timeline of events for ASF ect, but I'm relatively sure Ross Jefferies was teaching this stuff before Mystery? He goes on to further dig at RJ emphasising the difference between influence and manipulation.
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RJ was indeed teaching and running Speed Seduction workshops. But Mystery was the one that made an outline. And basically the success off the MM is in the easy outline and the step by step process presented.
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- We are informed that looks are not important, but social value being key. I'm relatively certain that any ugly man can look marginally attractive with correct bodylanguage and a change of wardrobe (+haircut ect). How far could the "ugly man" be taken? Do looks DLV in any way?
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In my opinion that is a big point that Mystery totally missed... If you are a hot confident guy and girls like you, you will have to work less in the attraction phase, you can even skip A2, and go into a mix of A3 and C1. Looks count... but there count as a plus, never as a negative. Lets say if your a good looking guy, you start the race a little bit ahead than the other ones. But even the ugliest man in the world can be the best seducer.
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- Last point of the chapter seems to be the importance (or preference) to say no. This is a value thing but ultimately comes down to choice? Does being a yes-man effect your value?
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Well once again... I hate when they want to make a rule of something so general and without the correct context, or at least not clear enough for new guys. The idea is to control your frame. If you say you are oonfident and you project that, but your always searching for approval and you are always trying to meet other ones expectations and you can't say no, your not being congruent, and that is a big part of the game.
P.S.: Something I found really important is the idea of having an auto evaluation, if you know you good looking, if you are sure you have good confidence, then probably if you go for a Hb9 and you start negging her your going to sound arrogant.
Another important point (nothing to do with the book), I see very useful is finding your personality, there are many types of puas and many methods, so find the one you see is similar to your beliefs and qualities. See it as choosing your Career. Find the method you see goes more with your lifestyle. |
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I'll contribute more later when I have some time to spare, but I'd just like to add one thing:
If you have "The Venusian Arts Handbook," but NOT "Mystery Method," it's the same text, just different titles. People with VAHB can participate in this. |
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TheAce
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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- Mention that he wants to turn you into a "generic cookie-cutter PUA". Turning somebody generic? Cookie-cutter? |
Doesn't he say this is the last thing he wants to do? Or you could be making the point that he is in fact creating some generic PUAs all be it unintentionally
The ones that are looking for a quick fix , will only take his routines/lines and copy them with no intention of developing their own style.
Right im going to finish re-reading the rest of the chapter in the bath and will edit the post to include more after. Well there's a seductive line for you.....
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| Quote: | There is an example used of a HB and an elder man. He must own/run something. Is this contrary to above? Do we need to show this kind of leadership to create a LTR?
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This example he uses I think serves to show that a women doesn't look at the mans survival value but at how the man will affect her survival value. If the man is old and hunched it is a fair assumption that, unless this is infact based on Mr Miyagi, he can not offer much on a physical side that will increase her survival value. So in order for her to be associating with him , there must be value based on status or wealth that would benefit her, such created by the ownership of a high end buisness. |
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xfman - I guess we are talking about a "relative value". I guess it would come down to the HBs perception of our value and how we approach? We know that throwing too much in the way of negs at a HB7 will have an entirely different response than a 9. But if the 9 sees to be at a 10, then she may take a neg more personally than if on first contact she felt that you were a 7/8 (ie "below her")
TheAce - I misread that sentence. In terms of the point itself, I guess MM does promote a generic model, but it's teaching generically to be different.
I also understand the point behind the example of hot girl + old man. There's no physical protection and so there must be value gained elsewhere. The point is while you can convey these traits for the first 10 hours let's say - and seduce a woman by making her feel as though you're high valued, whether or not you work in a carwash. But past the seduction stage, you will need an ongoing status indicator in order to keep her by your side if you have nothing to offer in the way of protection? Does being a leader of your social group really suffice long term? We are really talking post-seduction but I feel that's what this points at. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if a leader of a social group alone would surfice long term yet at times it is enough value to get that attraction and carry it through to seduction. It could be possible that as leader of a social group it shows that you will be able to gain the resources required to provide that added survival value to her. This is of course not garaunteed that the resources will be gained ( status , wealth , physical etc.) This could be enough to continue on in that LTR.
I have a feeling I've not really responded to your point but gone on about something different. Hopefully I haven't though.  |
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I just ordered my copy of the book today.. get it in the mail soon and then i will catch up and put in my 2 cents.
lookin forward to it. great idea |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: analyzing... |
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| this is a good post but I kinda feel like its analyzing things a bit too much. I definitely agree with using fear of the approach as a motivator though. |
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