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Pen1987
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JackOfNoTrades
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| I've seen the videos before, and to be honest, I felt really uncomfortable when I saw T k-close the first girl. I'm all for quick K-closes and T does have some good stuff but that particular one was.......not right!! |
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Madals
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although he got a kiss, her BL isnt very good after that point. During the kiss she has her hands on his chest (i think slightly pushing away) and after she leans away from him and uncrosses her legs to be much more nutral.
In my opinion, assuming the standard MM (yes i know MM isnt the be all and end all but its a good way to look) this guy missed out the comfort stage compleatly.
My money is she wont answer his calls because she is gonna regreat doing that. |
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Fiction dTAJIr8v
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| Madals wrote: | although he got a kiss, her BL isnt very good after that point. During the kiss she has her hands on his chest (i think slightly pushing away) and after she leans away from him and uncrosses her legs to be much more nutral.
In my opinion, assuming the standard MM (yes i know MM isnt the be all and end all but its a good way to look) this guy missed out the comfort stage compleatly.
My money is she wont answer his calls because she is gonna regreat doing that. |
What the fuck are you talking about? I thought that was one of the smoothest pick-ups I've seen on tape. Nothing flashy, but it didn't have to be. Watch the video again. She put her hands on his chest to touch him...the sort of move that women do when they grab the shirt collar to pull them closer. She held the kiss, she said "Oh my God", she was flushed, nervous, giggly, bouncy. I don't know what sort of signs you looking for, but that SCREAMED interest.
That is the kind of guy that she talks about for the rest of her night with her friends because he swept her off of her feet. |
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Ka
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| Madals wrote: | although he got a kiss, her BL isnt very good after that point. During the kiss she has her hands on his chest (i think slightly pushing away) and after she leans away from him and uncrosses her legs to be much more nutral.
In my opinion, assuming the standard MM (yes i know MM isnt the be all and end all but its a good way to look) this guy missed out the comfort stage compleatly.
My money is she wont answer his calls because she is gonna regreat doing that. |
I have to agree...both of you looked at the hands...watch the video again and she goes to put her knee up. Now either its me or you put your hands and kneee on something when you want to seperate yourself or distance yourself from.
I am always skeptical of videos, more so when the sound and video quality are high. Typically the higher the quality of these the more obvious they should be to a "unsuspecting" person.
This guy has someone following them with a camcorder...and she doesnt notice for 12 mins? Going from a city street to what looks like a park. Wouldnt you notice someone following you around with a camera pointed at you?
Now im not saying shes in on it, or that it was setup. To be honest the guys probably years ahead of me as far as what he knows and what hes accomplished. However, she may be partially aware but not sure of all the circumstances.
In anycase assuming shes not you can tell that shes attracted up until he goes to kiss her (he surprises her). Sure shes flushed and such, if i had someone throw themselves at me and stick thier tongue in my mouth without me expecting it id probably blush too.
My guess is if shes of average self confidence or more she will not call him. Look at her after the kiss, those jitters are not good it means she wants to get out, and the affirmation to that is she reminds him he has to go.
Videos like this are great for a visual aide to concepts like push pull, but dont put so much wieght in them. Think of it like watching a tv show or a movie...its an abstraction of the real thing. |
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Madals
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If you actually look at her BL, she drops ALL IOI's after the kiss. She goes 90 degrees to him tilts feet away from him and moves her arm closest to him into a defensive postition. Huge IODs.
As for Fictions comment about her hands on the chest are to "feel him".... Both hands a vertical with fingers together, elbows slightly out in a postion of pushing. Now, if she was trying to feel him for a start it would be much more likly her hand would go to his leg, back ot neck. Thats because she would be holding him closer. It is possible she wanted to feel his chest (each to their own and all) but if that was the case i would expect to see her fingers split wider to get a better feel and her hands to be posistionsed either horizontaly or at a 45deg angle. They would also likly be must more to the side with her fingers more to his side rather than body. Again to pull him closer, or insinuate her acceptance of him.
However, if you beleive that was a brilliant close then by all means look at it and learn from it, everyone has a different style. But tbh, all these speed suduction things seem a very hollow victory. As people know i set hgh standards for women i would date, probably to much so but at the end of it all i dont see the point in leaning all these things just to be able to PU the average girls. I could do that before the only difference is my % chance to succeed. For example, would you rather 10 blonze medals or 1 gold? I would take the gold, since i beleive in quality rather than quantity.
However, until the K-close he did a good pu. Not prefect ofc although his location bounce was brilliant, leading her was a huge complience test. When he closes though i think he blows it, one thing i love to take advantage of in any PU is the "soaking period" where when you leave a girl wanting more, you'll be on her mind a hell of a lot for the next few days. She will then be thinking why she didnt get more and then seek your validation later. Its the same effect as leaving an argument with 1 strong bold sentance, hit the message home and then leave, let it sink in.
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Kissing is comfort building believe it or not. Uncrossing the legs can be a good or bad sign depending on the situation.
Also, as members of the board previously pointed out, The Social Engineer has been accused of "setting up" pickup situations to make himself look good on camera. Decide for yourself if this one is real or not. |
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Hopeless Romantic
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| someone mentioned him in another thread. And then there was this whole argument about whether he was the real deal or not. There's even a PUAwatchdog on him about how he's fake. And there's a video of him comabating that which his arguments are decent. i'm too lazy to look up the links for these. sorry |
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lovesucka
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ha, the first one is impressive!
the second one does seem a bit fake n shit tho...
- He's got a geeky nervous laugh! AND he laughs way too much at himself.
- The coversations are shit!!! WTF is he doing ending 'their future together' conversation with 'then one of us will smoke too much, and go to the doctors and it would all end terribly' - I wont be using that anytime soon! haha
the second girl wouldnt answer his call. |
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Rome0
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| The first one was great. Reminds me of a time when a girl actually kissed me within 10 minutes of meeting her, i brushed it off as it was nothing, even though inside i was like "holy shit". It is weird however that the girl does not notice the camera man, but w/e it seemed real. |
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Augustus
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| Anyone know any good PUAvids with high quality audio or at least subtitles? |
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Fame2Advancement
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This guy is awesome and I recommend that you DO what this guy does.
I have gotten a kiss-close, a number, an e-mail and an F-close all during broad daylight SOLO.
The mistake guys make is that this is like the Mystery Method (whatever version) in a nutshell but can be done in Id say at least 2 hours
If you can not do something as simply as this in REAL LIFE, then there is no way in hell you could do this more comprehensively in any other environment |
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| Is this guy fake or real. I have heard he is fake, is this true? |
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| The social engineer was proven to be fake and fraudulent. Go to puawatchdog.com and you'll see for yourself (scroll down to about 2/3 of the way down the home page). |
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