How to find a bunch of cool wings

karlostm · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: How to find a bunch of cool wings

This is all based on my experiences (in London FYI). Hope this helps some of you out there.

If you’re starting out in pick up, there’s a good chance that your mates either don’t know about the community, don’t want to get involved for whatever reason, or you don’t want to tell your mates what you’re doing (though it might be worthwhile). So you’ll need to find wings that are guys that you haven’t met before. Luckily there are lots of ways to do this.

Find a bunch of pick up / seduction forums. There is more than one. Do a search on Google, you’ll find some links between forums in threads. About five should be a good start.

Post a new thread saying that you’re looking for wings
Post replies in existing threads looking for wings.
PM (personal message) guys in threads about wings asking if you can wing with them.
Be honest about where you are in terms of development and what you want to do.

Not everyone will reply for various reasons. Don’t worry about it, keep on contacting new people, don’t hassle the old ones as there are new people posting all the time so there will be more chances in the future.

Now you may think, but what if everyone I meet are complete social misfit losers with greasy hair who only talk in algebra and still live at home with their parents (after all, they’re not getting laid)? Well there are a few things to mention about that:

Essentially that is negative thinking and something you need to work on as part of pickup anyway
If anyone is actually like that, then just because you meet them once, doesn’t mean that you have to meet them ever again.
I must have met over 20 people in the few months I’ve been doing this, and not one of them has been weird in the sense that I couldn’t relate to them or didn’t want to meet them again. So it’s most likely not worth worrying about anyway. Of the people I’ve met of course there are some that I get on with better than others, and some that are more out there than others, but they’re all basically good people.

At the start, take up every offer you can get, so you can have a feel for what people are like to wing with and what works best for you. Some people will be better than you, others worse, sometimes both but in different areas. That’s OK. You can learn from those who are better, and you can teach those who are worse. Teaching is actually a good way for you to learn about yourself as well. Don’t just be a value taker.

After a while though you’ll get to know some wings who are better for you than others. Some though not all will feel the same way about you. Usually these are people who are on the same wavelength as you, have the same sense of humour, and are often (though not always) at the same level as you.

You’ll also find that you end up knowing a lot of wings, and there is a chance that every Friday and Saturday night you’ll end up in a bar somewhere, with about nine guys or so. That, frankly, is way too many. I think two is great, anything up to five is doable depending on the location. More than that and you’re going to chodesville on a robo-horse. So you’re going to have to manage the number of people you go out with. This is the point that I am at!

Also, because of the posts that you’ve put up you’ll keep on getting contacts from the new people coming into the community. If you have a large group of wings then it’s probably best not to respond to them. It’s a harsh world but they’ll find other people that want to wing with them.

Finally, when you start out you may be thinking, hey if only I can find a wing who is a master PUA then he can teach me everything and I’ll get good really quick. Well, if this happens then great. However the chances are slim. Think about it – most of these top guys get paid to teach this stuff, why would they do it for free? One of the facts of life is that newbies will blow everyone out of a good set no matter how good the other guy is. Top PUAs won’t want to waste their time doing this. So expect to meet people mostly like yourself. However as you hang out and develop, you’ll all learn from each other and this will be beneficial in its own right.

Of course if you can find the top guys you could make friends with them so they want to teach you. But don’t ask me how to do that...

oracle1 · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject:

Hi Karlos,

I should get an avatar picture too Cool

Good post. My opinion on the group size which really is an important factor is the following: 2-4 people is the best number.
Here's my breakdown
- Two people: Ideally, your wing and you are out. You can go to small places without looking weird (large groups of guys do look weird imo). You fit well in any set since you certainly don't outnumber the girls.
The downside of being only two is that your wing HAS to join the set you opened very quickly -- he can't just stand around in the bar alone, either he joins the set quickly or opens another set. This is definitely a drawback.

- Three to four people: Still a small number but now the pressure on the wing to move into the set is gone. He can stay with the remaining one,two guys and chat pretending (or better actually having!) a good time. Now, another guy of the remaining "3 pua-set" can open another set and the two wings can go into their sets respectively.

karlostm · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:

Yep that all makes sense.

If you want me to make a picture for you, let me know!

How was your Saturday anyway?

Mysterious-Mind · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:01 am Post subject:

Nice post!

Here is my cent on it Very Happy

Personally I think a group of 5 guys would be good. 3 would be ok, but not a 2 unless it is day gaming. For night gaming a 5 would be perfect as this can build on Social Proof. 2 set can lead to a negative social proof for night gaming.

I've seen girls giving positive IOI's on guys in large groups who are out having a good time. Reason for this is that they are having fun as a group. As long as the guys are not blatantly looking around for hot babes to make a move on (you can look around subtly without getting attention that you're out to Sarge). Remember a large group can give out a positive social proof if you can demonstrate that you are out for a fun time. This way when one of the guys spots a SHB, move in, open up and when things go smooth and you want to stop, say to her, "I have to get back to my friends, but I'll speak to you again later on!" or something like that.

Already Social Proof is being built up through interacting with girls around.

Fargo · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

Hey Karlostm, I'm really glad you wrote this post. I've considered writing something myself but I'm not really a "forum guy" per se.

You're totally right about the posts we get on here that go something like,

"hey I'm new and I'm looking for Brad Pitt to come to my house and tell me how lay Angelina Jolie. PM me Brad!"

We're all in this together gents, and let's face it... learning is half the fun.

Just get out there with anyone you can find and see what happens!

oracle1 · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:

Karlos: Saturday was ok, not great though Smile

. Sets somehow just didn't stick .. We probably should have stayed a bit longer in bigchill since girls seemed ok there ..

Mysterious-Mind: Uhm, not sure if I agree with you on what social proof is Smile

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